# But...Obama Was Going To Take All The Guns! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 16, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405 "2013-01-16T18:23:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/21 "2013-01-16T19:41:56Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh good, another circle jerk thread. > > Who actually proposed that Obama was going to confiscate all guns in the US by executive fiat? You mean other than [THIS GUY](http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/feb/10/nra-official-obama-wants-outlaw-guns-2nd-term/)? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/22 "2013-01-16T19:45:06Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Sounds like he’s taking a principled stance against the abuse of executive orders rather than a prediction that Obama was going to send in the gun removal death squads tomorrow. Well, he wasn’t saying, “I expect Obama to do no more than fully enforce existing laws and make valid use of his Article II powers with his executive orders,” was he? He was fueling the expectation that Obama was going to act by fiat. So shove it. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/23 "2013-01-16T19:46:46Z")
And Obama did act by fiat, just not a sweeping massive gun confisciation program unlike anything this country has ever seen. Which no one seriously predicted. You guys are simply lying. In a circle jerk, no one else calls out anyone else for lying. I’m here to be the sand in your jerk cream. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/24 "2013-01-16T19:50:03Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > And Obama did act by fiat, just not a sweeping massive gun confisciation program unlike anything this country has ever seen. Which no one seriously predicted. > > You guys are simply lying. In a circle jerk, no one else calls out anyone else for lying. I’m here to be the sand in your jerk cream. I gotta admit, “sand in your jerk cream” made me smile. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/25 "2013-01-16T19:53:41Z")
Wow, how principled. Uh huh. I agree with what was said up thread. If you don’t believe this has been a common theme amongst the general populace, than you haven’t been paying attention. That’s why this board alone has been overrun with gun debates and the public has been buying guns like prohibition started yesterday. Disingenuous indeed, but it ain’t the “circle jerkers” (jerkees? jerkii?). ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/26 "2013-01-16T19:54:23Z")
Cream? Real men don’t need cream. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/27 "2013-01-16T19:54:55Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > In a circle jerk, no one else calls out anyone else for lying. You know, you are the living embodiment of all the dumb things people say about gun owners: you can’t stop talking about dicks and jerking off and how everybody else is a wimp. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/28 "2013-01-16T19:55:51Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Wow, how principled. Uh huh. I agree with what was said up thread. If you don’t believe this has been a common theme amongst the general populace, than you haven’t been paying attention. That’s why this board alone has been overrun with gun debates and the public has been buying guns like prohibition started yesterday. Disingenuous indeed, but it ain’t the “circle jerkers” (jerkees? jerkii?). People have been buying up guns that are actually under consideration for banning in the legislature. You can’t simultaneously hold the position “gee I hope that assault weapons ban currently in congress makes it through” and “oh those crazy gun nuts, thinking that people are going to try to ban certain guns, and now they’re rushing out to buy them. How silly and paranoid” > [@Marley23](#): > > You know, you are the living embodiment of all the dumb things people say about gun owners: you can’t stop talking about dicks and jerking off and how everybody else is a wimp. Really? Talking about a circle jerk on a message board, which everyone clearly knows what it means and can be used in all sorts of context, is a gun nut thing now? I didn’t call everyone else a wimp. I never proclaimed my own manliness. I was actually rather careful in my wording, but what I actually said doesn’t seem to actually matter to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/29 "2013-01-16T19:56:18Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Well, the [23 actions](http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama-to-announce-gun-control-proposals-shortly/?hpt=hp_c1) are spectacularly unspectacular. > > Improve the background check system. Provide training to LEOs for active shooter situations. Require the FBI to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. Provide incentives for schools to get officers. Research gun violence gun safety technologies and review gun lock/safe standards. Improve and standardize mental health care options. > > Truly history’s greatest monster. Good thing I stocked up on AR-15s. That’s not 23, though. Is it? Some are a bit more debatable: [ul] [li]Reinstate and strengthen the ban on ‘assault weapons.’[/li][li]Limit ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.[/li][li]Conduct research on the causes and prevention of gun violence, including links between video games, media images, and violence.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/30 "2013-01-16T19:56:56Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > He didn’t talk about video games because it has fuckall to do with it. I’m not sure who’s more rabidly defending their position, the NRA life members or the Gamer magazine subscribers. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/31 "2013-01-16T20:00:52Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Well, the [23 actions](http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama-to-announce-gun-control-proposals-shortly/?hpt=hp_c1) are spectacularly unspectacular. > > Improve the background check system. Provide training to LEOs for active shooter situations. Require the FBI to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. Provide incentives for schools to get officers. Research gun violence gun safety technologies and review gun lock/safe standards. Improve and standardize mental health care options. > > Truly history’s greatest monster. Good thing I stocked up on AR-15s. That’s not 23, though. Is it? Some are a bit more debatable: [ul] [li]Reinstate and strengthen the ban on ‘assault weapons.’[/li][li]Limit ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.[/li][li]Conduct research on the causes and prevention of gun violence, including links between video games, media images, and violence.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![picker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/picker/32/13969_2.png) [@picker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/32 "2013-01-16T20:01:06Z")
nm, wrong thread ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/33 "2013-01-16T20:01:23Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Who actually proposed that Obama was going to confiscate all guns in the US by executive fiat? > [@Sitnam](#): > > You mean other than [THIS GUY](http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/feb/10/nra-official-obama-wants-outlaw-guns-2nd-term/)? > [@SenorBeef](#): > > You guys are simply lying. In a circle jerk, no one else calls out anyone else for lying. I’m here to be the sand in your jerk cream. You are mouthing off a lot, but Sitnams link seems to answer your question very well. Am I missing something, or why are you still slabbering about people being liars? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/34 "2013-01-16T20:03:30Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > You mean other than [THIS GUY](http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/feb/10/nra-official-obama-wants-outlaw-guns-2nd-term/)? That guy (Wayne La Pierre) is having the best day of his life: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/01/16/nra-planning-the-fight-of-the-century-against-obama/](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/01/16/nra-planning-the-fight-of-the-century-against-obama/) > [@](#): > > “I warned you this day was coming and now it’s here,” Wayne LaPierre, the NRA’s fiery executive vice president, wrote in a fund-raising letter to the group’s 4 million members. “It’s not about protecting your children. It’s not about stopping crime. It’s about banning your guns … PERIOD!” > > The letter reflected the NRA’s tough, no-holds-barred campaign against tighter restrictions on weapons and echoed a sharp video released by the group that calls Obama an “elitist hypocrite” for having the Secret Service protect his two daughters at school while saying that he is “skeptical” about armed guards in all schools. That link includes the latest NRA commercial that drags Sasha & Malia into fight: > [@](#): > > “Are the president’s kids more important than yours?” a deep-voiced narrator asks. “Then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school? Mr. Obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes, but he’s just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security.” Because, you know, Obama personally invented the Secret Service with money he stole from job-creators because he hates your children. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/35 "2013-01-16T20:06:36Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > He didn’t talk about video games because it has fuckall to do with it. Page 8. [www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh\_now\_is\_the\_time\_full.pdf](http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf) “Conduct research on the causes and prevention of gun violence, including links between video games, media images, and violence.” Well? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/36 "2013-01-16T20:08:18Z")
I’ve been an NRA member for more than 25 years. About 10-12 years ago I decided they would never get another dime of my money while Wayne LaPierre was in charge. Funny the disconnect between what the members of the NRA actually support and the fearmongering pathos of the nutball in charge. Unfortunately, the board voting process is and always has been rigged by the old boy network and is pretty much impossible to change without a serious revolution. One I foresee coming in about 10 years. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/37 "2013-01-16T20:08:19Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > You are mouthing off a lot, but Sitnams link seems to answer your question very well. Am I missing something, or why are you still slabbering about people being liars? Let’s break it down. > [@](#): > > “All that first term, lip service to gun owners is just part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment during his second term,” he said Conspiracy is a hyperbolic word and quite dumb to use here. But it’s true that Obama laid low on gun control during his first term, and now suddenly he’s taking up the cause in his second. And if you say “oh, that’s because of the school shooting!” then either you think that Obama is a big fucking asshole who doesn’t care about the 10,000 gun homicides every year but suddenly cares about 20, or it was his intentional all along but he had to ride the right public hysteria to push it - just like 9/11 at the Patriot act. > [@](#): > > We see the president’s strategy crystal clear: Get re-elected and, with no more elections to worry about, get busy dismantling and destroying our firearms’ freedom, erase the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights and excise it from the U.S. Constitution. Again, hyperbolic, but “get busy dismantling and destroying our firearms freedom” does not mean that he thought Obama would literally ban all guns by executive order. He probably meant that Obama could do what he could - cheerlead through Congress whatever gun control legislation he thought might pass - and that’s actually what’s going on here. > [@](#): > > Mr. LaPierre said the president’s two Supreme Court appointees — Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan— are “two of the most rabid anti-gun justices in history.” He also accused Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg of being a foe of gun rights."] The makeup of the supreme court is sort of a long term consideration, not exactly the sort of thing you’d be concerned about when a dictator decided to outlaw all guns one day. So I construe his words to mean that Obama would law low in his first term, and then actively begin persuing a gun control agenda in his second, enacting whatever restrictions he could in the current political climate. Not that he was going to ban them all by decree. So as to this thread, the point of the OP was “haha gun owners, you thought all guns would be banned today and they aren’t, you’re all idiots!” is wrong. People didn’t actually think that. People just thought Obama would start working to restrict gun ownership, and he actually has done that. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/38 "2013-01-16T20:09:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s not 23, though. Is it? > > Some are a bit more debatable: > > [ul] > [li]Reinstate and strengthen the ban on ‘assault weapons.’[/li][li]Limit ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.[/li][li]Conduct research on the causes and prevention of gun violence, including links between video games, media images, and violence.[/li][/ul] No, this is 23, and it doesn’t include mention of assault weapons or ammunition magazines. If anyone is upset about the CDC doing research, you really need to check your outrage meter. > [@](#): > > 1. “Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.” > > 2. “Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.” > > 3. “Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.” > > 4. “Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.” > > 5. “Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.” > > 6. “Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.” > > 7. “Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.” > > 8. “Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).” > > 9. “Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.” > > 10. “Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.” > > 11. “Nominate an ATF director.” > > 12. “Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.” > > 13. “Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.” > > 14. “Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.” > > 15. “Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.” > > 16. “Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.” > > 17. “Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.” > > 18. “Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.” > > 19. “Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.” > > 20. “Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.” > > 21. “Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.” > > 22. “Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.” > > 23. “Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.” ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/39 "2013-01-16T20:10:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s not 23, though. Is it? > > Some are a bit more debatable: > > [ul] > [li]Reinstate and strengthen the ban on ‘assault weapons.’[/li][li]Limit ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.[/li][li]Conduct research on the causes and prevention of gun violence, including links between video games, media images, and violence.[/li][/ul] Oh my god, no. No. Noooo! Not… _ **CONDUCTING RESEARCH!!!** _ That _monster_! ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405/40 "2013-01-16T20:12:16Z")
This kind of thing really pisses me off. It’s just meant to demonize the opposition: “It’s not about protecting your children. It’s not about stopping crime. It’s about banning your guns … PERIOD!” Um, no, it’s not. Maybe there’s a portion of people for whom that’s what it’s about, but right after a plethora of nationally publicized gun killings, most people are just horrified and want to know how to make it right, and how to prevent more. ETA: The research thing is even weirder. Of course there should be research, and detailed data, about everything. How can we do anything about anything without knowing what’s happening? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/but-obama-was-going-to-take-all-the-guns/647405.md?page=3)