# Butch up Anaamika! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 17, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772 "2005-04-17T16:17:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/61 "2005-04-18T16:14:48Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I certainly would not hold my breath for the Gotti Center for Cancer Research. The university I attended had at least one building funded by someone with mob ties. Does that count? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/62 "2005-04-18T16:25:56Z")
Let me guess… Currency sanitation? Criminal defense law? Cement footware fashion? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/63 "2005-04-18T16:52:01Z")
**Quicksilver** , it seems to me she was expressing her own opinion, fairly respectfully. You wanna start a Great Debates thread over what she said, you go right ahead. But sniping at her suggesting that she “grow some balls” is pretty stupid and immature. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/64 "2005-04-18T17:10:48Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > **Quicksilver** , it seems to me she was expressing her own opinion, fairly respectfully. You wanna start a Great Debates thread over what she said, you go right ahead. But sniping at her suggesting that she “grow some balls” is pretty stupid and immature. What exactly is _respectful_ about equating a personal belief with organized crime? There is no “great debate” to be had here. I thought about it and what possible cites could anyone offer that would be conclusive? OR’s history of bad stuff? Plenty. And I’m not arguing that point. OR’s history of good stuff? A fair share IMO. Hard to argue that point. On balance more BAD than GOOD? Yeah, but not in today’s terms… as the original OP in IMHO was framing. But everyone rushes to try and convict OR based on centuries of history. 😕 Fine. Let’s hold an Inquisition of our own. After all, we atheists and heretics are overdue for a little revenge, right?! :mad: And once again, throwing a hissy fit over a :rolleyes: is not stupid or immature? ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/65 "2005-04-18T17:18:50Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Grow some balls. She is supposed to grow some balls and then put on a yellow babydoll chemise? That’s not am image you want wandering about inside your head. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/66 "2005-04-18T17:20:15Z")
I know you’re joking, but actually no. Liberal arts. I also see that since my graduation there’s been another building put up referring to the same last, but different first, name. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/67 "2005-04-18T17:20:52Z")
What exactly is _respectful_ about this past post? > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Let me guess… Currency sanitation? Criminal defense law? Cement footware fashion? 😛 Today terms nothing. In your own mind, you have already equaled OR with good, and OC with bad. Now that people have said something different from that, you have begun to ridicule people, accused others of the same, and proposed odd, abstract systems of standards. > [@](#): > > “On balance more BAD than GOOD? Yeah, but not in today’s terms…” Also, if everyone in thread is interpreting your offer of a nightie differently then you would like, and thus getting off topic, it’s your own damn fault. If you wanted people to stick with the OP, you should have put more time into it, and not simply make it a link to a lingerie page. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/68 "2005-04-18T17:42:15Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > What exactly is _respectful_ about this past post? It was a joke. Dumbass. **jsgoddess** seems to have figured that out without much trouble. > [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Today terms nothing. In your own mind, you have already equaled OR with good, and OC with bad. It’s called an argument. We take opposite points of view and argue to the death! 🙂 > [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Now that people have said something different from that, you have begun to ridicule people, No I haven’t! > [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > accused others of the same, Only one according to my count. > [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > and proposed odd, abstract systems of standards. What’s abstract about trying to stick to say current day? Say this generation? > [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Also, if everyone in thread is interpreting your offer of a nightie differently then you would like, and thus getting off topic, it’s your own damn fault. Forget the damn nightie already. It was a joke! I’m not even sure anyone is interpreting it in any way, shape or form. 'cept you maybe. :dubious: > [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > If you wanted people to stick with the OP, you should have put more time into it, and not simply make it a link to a lingerie page. I did link to the OP which is the IMHO forum. Did you want me to retype the thing verbatim for you? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/69 "2005-04-18T17:45:57Z")
> [@CanvasShoes](#): > > The church is a sneaking LYING evil concerned with trivial bullshit like what languages are spoken in these united states and whether or not that’s okay, and who goes out dancing on Saturday nights and has a beer or two, rather than actually engaging in what Jesus actually TOLD us to do. I didn’t get the newsletter about the massive reverse schism. There’s only one church now? When did this happen? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/70 "2005-04-18T18:12:53Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Forget the damn nightie already. It was a joke! I’m not even sure anyone is interpreting it in any way, shape or form. 'cept you maybe. :dubious: > > I did link to the OP which is the IMHO forum. Did you want me to retype the thing verbatim for you? You keep on using the word OP. It does not mean what you think it does. The OP is the Original Post of the thread, not the one that set you off. You keep asking people to read the OP, or two read the OP from the thread, when in fact what you should be saying is “read a post which ticked me off.” What you are actually saying sounds like, depending on how sloppy your writing is, either, “My OP explains everything”, or “The OP I am linking to explains everything" True, everyone understands what you mean, but that does matter. In either case, Anaamika’s post is #16, not #1. Oh, and: > [@QuickSilver](#): > > What’s abstract about trying to stick to say current day? Say this generation? Your question is not, "What’s worse, Promisekeepers, or “Gansta Rappers”, It’s “What’s worse, one concept which has been around thousands of years, or loosely related groups which have been around thousands of years?” Trying to confine it to the current generation is, again, useless, and an insane standard of proof. P.S. This **is** the pit, incase you haven’t noticed. Take a little less caffeine, stop responding to insults, should you be offended, and either make an OP worthy of some other thread, or actually answer peoples claims and beliefs, rather then their insults. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/71 "2005-04-18T18:18:12Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > And once again, throwing a hissy fit over a :rolleyes: is not stupid or immature? Whoa, hey, hold up for a second… My point is: **Anaamika** brought up an opinion in Great Debates–one that’s debatable, of course (subjective opinion usually is). You could have argued calmly and reasonably with her, but first you hijacked the thread in GD and then started the Pitting here. If you want to argue her point, go ahead–you guys can hash it out in Great Debates. But all this bitterness and sarcasm is not helping your case. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/72 "2005-04-18T18:34:33Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Oh, and:Your question is not, "What’s worse, Promisekeepers, or “Gansta Rappers”, It’s “What’s worse, one concept which has been around thousands of years, or loosely related groups which have been around thousands of years?” Trying to confine it to the current generation is, again, useless, and an insane standard of proof. WRT the post in IMHO, where this entire mess got started, I understood the OP to be framing the question in the present. i.e. What are your thoughts on faith and what is putting you off a formal belief system? Is it the organized religion sturcture? First, Do you agree that the time frame of reference is in the now? If not we won’t agree on anything past this statement. Second, Do you consider the following to be a fair comparisson: If you asked me what I think about Germans, I could tell you that I hate the fuckers because they were largely responsible for systematically killing members of my family on both my father’s and my mother’s side for the sole reason that they were Jews. OR, I could say that **some** Germans (Nazis) were responsible for murdering members of my family but I hold no personal grudge against the entire nation or people. Do you see where I’m going with this? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/73 "2005-04-18T18:37:57Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > Whoa, hey, hold up for a second… > > My point is: **Anaamika** brought up an opinion in Great Debates–one that’s debatable, of course (subjective opinion usually is). You could have argued calmly and reasonably with her, but first you hijacked the thread in GD and then started the Pitting here. **K** , it was in IMHO. The rules are looser there. All I did was level some sarcasm at her with a :rolleyes: . Hardly grounds for her disproportioned retort. IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/74 "2005-04-18T18:43:07Z")
No. You started a Pit thread. You may have posted it in another forum, but it was a pit thread. Oh, and as for your attempt to carry over the here and now, into a question of one group being worse then another: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/75 "2005-04-18T19:13:09Z")
The idea of **Anaamika** in a bady doll nightie hasn’t completely highjacked this thread? What is wrong with you people? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/76 "2005-04-18T19:22:18Z")
:mad: What do you think I am trying to do? Convince QuickSilver? No, he just keeps coming back to “the OP”, and I keep on bringing up the nightie, but he just doesn’t want to hear what I am saying! I will never convince him to pay attention to what really important here, pictures of Anaamika. Sigh. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Forget the damn nightie already. It was a joke! I’m not even sure anyone is interpreting it in any way, shape or form. 'cept you maybe. Blasphemy! I shall never forget the nightie! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/77 "2005-04-18T19:33:45Z")
My goodness, my very first Pit thread, and like Jo with her very first book, compliments are dispersed amongst the insults. And I’m not even here. I wish I’d lost my Pit virginity in a more dramatic way but this will have to do. First of all. I most certainly will not apologize for what I said in IMHO, nor back down. The OP asked for people’s opinions. I believe the question was something along the lines of “what do you feel about organized religion”? I said, Organized religion is like organized crime to me. Well, I think it is. I am most certainly not going to back down from something I believe. I didn’t say religion was horrible, nor did I say that a belief in god was something horrible. However, I’m not going to back up what I said, either. That’s my choice. If I wanted to, I could go in GD but other people make the point much better than me and I am not the greatest debater in the world. However, I will say this - the RCC which is defended vehemently sometime has done a great deal of damage in my birth country of India. I don’t venerate it, or revere it, and don’t intend to say anything but my true opinion. Again, I’m not a great debater so I don’t go in those kinds of threads much. > [@Quicksilver](#): > > I’m not convinced. I wasn’t trying to convince anyone of my opinion, **Quicksilver**. > [@Quicksilver](#): > > Anaamika, I respectfully disagree. Do you always “respectfully disagree” while sticking your tongue out at people? I’m afraid I don’t buy it. > [@Quicksilver](#): > > \*(in answer to Ca3799 asking what part \*_Quicksilver \*\* disagreed with)_ > We didn’t disagree. You simply asked for my point of view and I gave it. I’m sorry, could someone define for me irony again? I never accused religious organizations of all the evil in the world, as \*\*Quicksilver \*\* seems to be laying at my feet. I said, “Organized religion is worse than organized crime”, and that’s all I said. So please stop! putting words in my mouth. FTR, I still do believe that OR’s bad outweighs the good even in today’s day and age. Secondly, I hate sarcastic comments and those silly rolleyes when I was merely stating my opinion. I hereby apologize for calling you an idiot, it was not appropriate in IMHO. I should have called you one here but it just wasn’t that important to me. For everyone who defended me, thank you! **Ethilrist** , I may just buy that little outfit. I rather like it. **Maureen** , I am an atheist Hindu, not Muslim, but thanks all the same. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/78 "2005-04-18T19:36:13Z")
Eek! Hit submit too soon. I strongly resent the implication that I am somehow “jumping on the bandwagon of atheists” and just assuming that OR is bad. Do I not have a mind of my own, eyes to see? If you cut me, do I not bleed? For everyone who asked for pictures or wondered why me in the nightie didn’t derail the thread… :o thanks. To Kythereia **specially** : 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/79 "2005-04-18T19:50:24Z")
Oh, yeah, one last thing: “Butch up”?? Waitaminute, you want me to grow some balls because I stated my opinion in an IMHO opinion thread? I don’t get it! I didn’t shy away or not state my opinion, then I defended myself, and now I’m here! Perhaps you should toughen up. If the RCC and OR can’t take criticism, even strong criticism, then that’s certainly not my problem. And I’ve got plenty of guts, I’m just going to pass on growing any extra organs, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2005, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butch-up-anaamika/299772/80 "2005-04-18T20:04:14Z")
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