# Butt-Hurt Trump Takes to Twitter Again (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428 "2016-11-19T15:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 173
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3441 "2017-11-28T18:03:15Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Turns out in the real world, when you insult people before a meeting and say you can’t do a deal with them, they’ll just [stay home instead.](https://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/112817/) This is pretty cool. > [@](#): > > Pelosi, Schumer Joint Statement on Congressional Leaders’ Meeting with President Trump > > “Given that the President doesn’t see a deal between Democrats and the White House, we believe the best path forward is to continue negotiating with our Republican counterparts in Congress instead. Rather than going to the White House for a show meeting that won’t result in an agreement, we’ve asked Leader McConnell and Speaker Ryan to meet this afternoon. … > > “If the President, who already said earlier this year that ‘our country needs a good shutdown,’ isn’t interested in addressing the difficult year end agenda, we’ll work with those Republicans who are, as we did in April." … Of course, FOX News will report this as Democrats being obstructionist. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3442 "2017-11-28T18:17:32Z")
Their counterparts [already are](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362138-ryan-mcconnell-dems-antics-putting-government-operations-at-great). McConnell thoughtfully frames it as Pelosi and Shumer putting “our men and women on the battlefield” at risk. “We’re coming under heavy fire! Requesting immediate air support!” “Negative. Chuck and Nancy will not meet with POTUS. You’re on your own.” ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3443 "2017-11-28T18:18:10Z")
Eric goes after ABC for reporting on his dad’s idiotic Pocahontas reference in a [tweet](http://thehill.com/homenews/news/362100-eric-trump-compares-pocahontas-insult-to-disney-profiting-off-pocahontas-movie): > [@](#): > > The irony of an ABC reporter (whose parent company Disney has profited nearly half a billion dollars on the movie “Pocahontas”) inferring that the name is “offensive” is truly staggering to me. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3444 "2017-11-28T18:20:23Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > Eric goes after ABC for reporting on his dad’s idiotic Pocahontas reference in a [tweet](http://thehill.com/homenews/news/362100-eric-trump-compares-pocahontas-insult-to-disney-profiting-off-pocahontas-movie): He’s just letting us know how he’s easily staggered and stymied. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3445 "2017-11-28T18:24:12Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > I guess he’s making a “She’s an old woman,” joke - hur, hur, she’s been in the Senate longer than Native Americans have been around sort of thing. After all, once a woman is past 25, she’s no longer decorative, and therefore useless. My take is that he’s trying to portray Warren as an establishment insider who has been entrenched in Washington forever. I initially rejected that explanation when I realized that Warren was still in her first term as senator, but then I remembered it was Trump we are talking about and the actual facts of the situation are irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3446 "2017-11-28T18:32:06Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > My take is that he’s trying to portray Warren as an establishment insider who has been entrenched in Washington forever. I initially rejected that explanation when I realized that Warren was still in her first term as senator, but then I remembered it was Trump we are talking about and the actual facts of the situation are irrelevant. Well, she was there long before the Native Americans. Which means she’s both part Native American and the ancestor of Native Americans. Twist your mind around that, Yam. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3447 "2017-11-28T18:38:21Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Their counterparts [already are](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362138-ryan-mcconnell-dems-antics-putting-government-operations-at-great). McConnell thoughtfully frames it as Pelosi and Shumer putting “our men and women on the battlefield” at risk. > “We’re coming under heavy fire! Requesting immediate air support!” > > “Negative. Chuck and Nancy will not meet with POTUS. You’re on your own.” “We want to meet with Republicans” is now “antics?” ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3448 "2017-11-28T18:41:44Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Of course, FOX News will report this as Democrats being obstructionist. :rolleyes: This just in: [White House slams Dem ‘pettiness’ as Pelosi, Schumer pull out of meeting](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/28/schumer-pelosi-pull-out-white-house-budget-meeting-with-trump.html) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3449 "2017-11-28T18:46:18Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > This just in: > > [White House slams Dem ‘pettiness’ as Pelosi, Schumer pull out of meeting](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/28/schumer-pelosi-pull-out-white-house-budget-meeting-with-trump.html) So the Mango Mussolini refers to the Democratic leadership as “Chuck and Nancy,” claims that they want unchecked immigration, that they’re soft on crime, and want to raise taxes. And then basically makes clear that he sees no possibility of a deal with them. But it’s THEY who are petty for deciding not to waste their time meeting with him? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3450 "2017-11-28T18:51:14Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > This just in: > > [White House slams Dem ‘pettiness’ as Pelosi, Schumer pull out of meeting](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/28/schumer-pelosi-pull-out-white-house-budget-meeting-with-trump.html) Oh, the pinhead comments after that article. So much stupid! How do those people remember to breathe? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3451 "2017-11-28T19:21:50Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > So the Mango Mussolini refers to the Democratic leadership as “Chuck and Nancy,” claims that they want unchecked immigration, that they’re soft on crime, and want to raise taxes. And then basically makes clear that he sees no possibility of a deal with them. > > But it’s THEY who are petty for deciding not to waste their time meeting with him? You’re still not clear on this narcissism thing, are you? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3452 "2017-11-28T19:32:40Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > Eric goes after ABC for reporting on his dad’s idiotic Pocahontas reference in a [tweet](http://thehill.com/homenews/news/362100-eric-trump-compares-pocahontas-insult-to-disney-profiting-off-pocahontas-movie): Dear Eric, Being called Pocahontas is not offensive if your name is actually Pocahontas. Just trying to help. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3453 "2017-11-28T22:19:54Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This is pretty cool. > > > [@](#): > > > > Pelosi, Schumer Joint Statement on Congressional Leaders’ Meeting with President Trump > > “Given that the President doesn’t see a deal between Democrats and the White House, we believe the best path forward is to continue negotiating with our Republican counterparts in Congress instead. Rather than going to the White House for a show meeting that won’t result in an agreement, we’ve asked Leader McConnell and Speaker Ryan to meet this afternoon. … > > “If the President, who already said earlier this year that ‘our country needs a good shutdown,’ isn’t interested in addressing the difficult year end agenda, we’ll work with those Republicans who are, as we did in April." … > > Of course, FOX News will report this as Democrats being obstructionist. :rolleyes: Pelosi and Schumer were in the right–Trump had said no deal was possible, making a meeting useless. But their method was politically foolish–as noted in this thread, the GOP absolutely _is_ using their stand to label them ‘obstructionist.’ It would have been smarter to say something like: > [@](#): > > Given the President’s statement that he doesn’t see a deal, it’s clearly not a good use of our time to meet with him. This is a vitally important issue, and we want to use our time wisely. > > We hope that the President will relent from his position that no deal is possible. We hope to hear from him. If he changes his mind, we will eagerly come to meet with him. > > **The ball is in his court. We await his decision**. They should then include Trump’s “I don’t see a deal” tweet in their statement. > [@](#): > > Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump > Meeting with “Chuck and Nancy” today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. **I don’t see a deal!** > 9:17 AM - Nov 28, 2017 > **[Schumer and Pelosi ditch Trump meeting | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/chuck-schumer-nancy-pelosi-bipartisan/index.html)** > > Democratic leaders announced Tuesday that they would not attend a previously scheduled meeting with President Donald Trump after the President tweeted Tuesday morning that the meeting likely wouldn’t result in a deal about funding the government. That way, the story would have been Trump’s statement that no deal was possible, and his refusal to back off from that position (because of course he would have refused to back off). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3454 "2017-11-28T22:41:51Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Pelosi and Schumer were in the right–Trump had said no deal was possible, making a meeting useless. > > But their method was politically foolish–as noted in this thread, the GOP absolutely _is_ using their stand to label them ‘obstructionist.’ > > It would have been smarter to say something like: > > They should then include Trump’s “I don’t see a deal” tweet in their statement. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/chuck-schumer-nancy-pelosi-bipartisan/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/chuck-schumer-nancy-pelosi-bipartisan/index.html) > > That way, the story would have been Trump’s statement that no deal was possible, and his refusal to back off from that position (because of course he would have refused to back off). I think you are correct insofar as anyone from the White House, FOX, or the community of Trumpniks is capable of picking up nuance. Your wording is better than the original, but the line, “The ball is in his court,” would simply not be quoted. Let’s face it, no matter how Chuck and Nancy worded it, the right would have labeled them obstructionist. If they had gone to the meeting and the meeting had ended without agreement, they would have been labeled obstructionist. The fact that Republicans were obstructionist for eight years is a memory lost in the mists of time. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3455 "2017-11-28T22:47:02Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Let’s face it, no matter how Chuck and Nancy worded it, the right would have labeled them obstructionist. If they had gone to the meeting and the meeting had ended without agreement, they would have been labeled obstructionist. The real issue is that the current GOP is such a mess that they can’t pass a budget resolution without Democratic votes, and as such they’re in a position to extract a price for them. I think it’s reasonable for them to insist that part of that price, at a minimum, is that they’re not going to take abuse from Trump before negotiations. Trump seems to think he can blame the shutdown on the Democrats, but I suspect that won’t work on anyone who wouldn’t already blame the Democrats regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3456 "2017-11-28T22:52:52Z")
I agree that no matter how Pelosi and Schumer replied, they would have been labeled ‘obstructionist’ in the fact-free zone. But the No Facts crowd would have been at least _slightly_ hampered by P & S emphasizing how deeply they hoped Trump would change his “don’t see a deal” stance, and how eager they were to meet, should he change his mind. This would have put Trump’s “don’t see a deal” position in the spotlight. As it is, the spotlight is on P & S deciding not to meet. That’s an unforced error on their part. Slightly hampering the integrity-free folks would have been a win for P & S. As we account such things these days, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3457 "2017-11-29T00:09:49Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > The real issue is that the current GOP is such a mess that they can’t pass a budget resolution without Democratic votes, I thought they needed Democratic votes simply because they don’t have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3458 "2017-11-29T00:21:09Z")
I think that they only need 50 if they can pass this mess by a certain date (which I forget) that is rapidly approaching. The filibuster is not a concern. My personal guess is that Trump thought that his tweet about “I don’t see a deal” was his idea of tough bargaining. He thought he’d rough 'em up before they got in the room and get some concessions. Instead, they refused to dance and left alone with no partner. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3459 "2017-11-29T00:42:29Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > I thought they needed Democratic votes simply because they don’t have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate? The fillibuster has not been the road block for Republican legislation. They can’t get Republicans all on board for their own bills. It hasn’t been the Democrats stopping them. If you look at the House it’s even worse, there is no fillibuster they haven’t been able to pass hardly anything there unless it has Democratic support. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/3460 "2017-11-29T00:43:38Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I think that they only need 50 if they can pass this mess by a certain date (which I forget) that is rapidly approaching. The filibuster is not a concern. > > My personal guess is that Trump thought that his tweet about “I don’t see a deal” was his idea of tough bargaining. He thought he’d rough 'em up before they got in the room and get some concessions. Instead, they refused to dance and left alone with no partner. They’re trying to get the tax bill through using reconciliation, which must be done by the end of the fiscal year, which is late next fall. The rush they’re in is to get it done by Christmas, as a nice little present to the Koch brothers et al., but the hurry is political, not legal. They’ve already seen that the bill is very unpopular - better to get it done now and give their constituents time to forget about it before the midterms. I’m still of the opinion that we’re witnessing a revival of political awareness that is dwarfing anything the Tea Party started with. The American public, with the help of the press, is not forgetting the shitty things that are being done in DC. Things like the Supreme Court debacle were philosophical enough that most people weren’t really paying attention, even at the time. Taxes, healthcare, education? People pay attention to the things that hit their wallet. It’s a slightly different refrain on “It’s the economy, stupid.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428.md?page=172) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428.md?page=174)