# Butt-Hurt Trump Takes to Twitter Again (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428 "2016-11-19T15:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 395
**Author:** ![mjmlabs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mjmlabs/32/69_2.png) [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7882 "2019-10-06T22:25:27Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > …revealing, yet again, his ignorance of the Constitution, which makes no provision for the impeachment of Senators. Careful with the pots-and-kettles, friend. Not only are Senators “civil officers of the United States” subject to impeachment, but there’s historical precedent: Senator William Blount of Tennessees was the first federal official to face impeachment. > **[U.S. Senate: 404 Error Page](https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/general/one_item_and_teasers/file_not_found.htm)** > > 404 Error Page ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7883 "2019-10-06T23:08:19Z")
Since senators are not considered civil officers, **Sherrerd** ’s point stands: there is no constitutional provision for the impeachment of senators. The charges against Blount were dropped. ---
**Author:** ![mjmlabs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mjmlabs/32/69_2.png) [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7884 "2019-10-06T23:11:20Z")
The charges against Blount were dismissed for lack of jurisdiction because he had already been expelled from the Senate and was thus no longer a Senator. from the cite in my post #7887, above: > [@](#): > > On July 7, 1797, while the Senate pondered what to do about Blount, the House of Representatives, for the first time in history, voted a bill of impeachment. The following day, the Senate expelled Blount—its first use of that constitutional power—and adjourned until November. Prior to adjourning, the Senate ordered Blount to answer impeachment charges before a select committee that would meet during the recess. Blount failed to appear. He had departed for Tennessee with no intention of returning. > > On February 5, 1798, as the Senate prepared for his trial and still uncertain as to whether or not a senator, or former senator, was even liable for impeachment, it issued the arrest order. The Sergeant at Arms ultimately failed in his first mission, as Blount refused to be taken from Tennessee. A year later, the Senate dismissed the charges for lack of jurisdiction—and possibly for lack of Blount. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7885 "2019-10-06T23:28:44Z")
> [@mjmlabs](#): > > The charges against Blount were dismissed for lack of jurisdiction because he had already been expelled from the Senate and was thus no longer a Senator. That’s right, but most authorities believe that these circumstances left the question (of whether or not a US Senator is a ‘civil officer’ and thus can be impeached) undecided. There are differing opinions floating around. But most will concede that the matter is, at the very least, ambiguous. And as I said: the Constitution makes no provision for the impeachment of Senators. > [@Nava](#): > > I think a big chunk is those, another big chunk have a Pavlovian vote (they never look at issues, never look at candidates, they just vote X because “I am an X!”) and others are a mixture of: > > - people who understand decency but find it hard, so they can’t believe that large chunks of it come automatically to others, > - or whose definition of decency is different from that of other Americans (for example, they’re a lot more keen on “leaving people alone” than on “making sure everybody is inasmuch as possible in decent health”), > - people whose definitions are terribly skewed, such as those gay/bisexual people who are convinced they’re not gay because their wristbones are fine and not bisexual because they don’t run around having sex with everybody, > - and people who would believe anything so long as it comes from Authority (from personal experience with people like this, they also tend to elaborate on whatever The Authority actually said). The POTUS is the biggest Authority in the land. If he says the moon is a square then the moon is a square, period, and it’s not possible to land on it because you’d stick yourself with the points. Seems a fair run-down to me. The result of this conglomeration of types, of course, is voting that can lead to some regrettable results. ---
**Author:** ![mjmlabs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mjmlabs/32/69_2.png) [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7886 "2019-10-06T23:28:48Z")
And in the interest of fighting, rather than promulgating, ignorance: I was mistaken. Senators (and Congresspersons) are explicitly prohibited from holding “civil office” in Section 6 of Article I. _Mea culpa_. :o To the larger question of whether Senators can be impeached, it’s true that one has been. It’s also true that each house of Congress has been granted the power to expel members, and it may reasonably be argued that this obviates any need for impeachment (although a counterargument may note that said houses cannot prevent expelled members from attaining office in the future). And it is undeniably true that, although the Constitution does not define “civil officers,” it does specifically exclude members of both houses of Congress. TL;DR: I was wrong. Disregard my erroneous assertion that Senators are “civil officers.” They are not. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7887 "2019-10-06T23:35:02Z")
> [@mjmlabs](#): > > And in the interest of fighting, rather than promulgating, ignorance: I was mistaken. Senators (and Congresspersons) are explicitly prohibited from holding “civil office” in Section 6 of Article I. _Mea culpa_. :o > > To the larger question of whether Senators can be impeached, it’s true that one has been. It’s also true that each house of Congress has been granted the power to expel members, and it may reasonably be argued that this obviates any need for impeachment (although a counterargument may note that said houses cannot prevent expelled members from attaining office in the future). And it is undeniably true that, although the Constitution does not define “civil officers,” it does specifically exclude members of both houses of Congress. > > TL;DR: I was wrong. Disregard my erroneous assertion that Senators are “civil officers.” They are not. The expulsion possibility does seem to take the place of impeachment for members of Congress. As for Article I Section 6: that’s a tad ambiguous, too, as it appears to apply to ‘double duty’ (being elected a member of Congress and then being appointed to some civil office in addition to being a member of Congress). No doubt there is extensive commentary on this available from Constitutional scholars, but for the moment I’d be content with the ‘expel, don’t impeach’ idea. And of course Trump is still, unambiguously, wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7888 "2019-10-07T04:55:30Z")
Not to junior mod or anything, but **Sherrerd** and **mjmlabs** , could you fer chrissake take it easy on the respectful and enlightening civil discourse? This _is_ the fucking Pit, after all. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7889 "2019-10-07T05:23:06Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Not to junior mod or anything, but **Sherrerd** and **mjmlabs** , could you fer chrissake take it easy on the respectful and enlightening civil discourse? This _is_ the fucking Pit, after all. Fucken _aye_. ---
**Author:** ![mjmlabs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mjmlabs/32/69_2.png) [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7890 "2019-10-07T05:37:56Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Not to junior mod or anything, but **Sherrerd** and **mjmlabs** , could you fer chrissake take it easy on the respectful and enlightening civil discourse? This _is_ the fucking Pit, after all. That’s a fair point. I shall take that under advisement, and strive to comport myself more in accordance with prevailing social norms, and community standards, henceforth. In my defense, I may have been confused by the incursion of Pit-like behavior in other fora recently. Also, I’m pretty wasted right now, which is admittedly no excuse. [d/r] ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7891 "2019-10-07T12:44:48Z")
Okay. This is not 100% civilized and polite: > [@](#): > > [The current entry from the Oxford Dictionary says:](https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/69/which-is-the-plural-of-forum-fora-or-forums) > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > The plural of forum is usually spelled forums; the plural fora (as in the original Latin) is chiefly used when talking about a public square in an ancient Roman city. > > > > ``` IOW “fora” is technically correct in a context of Latin, but laughably pretentious in a context of English. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7892 "2019-10-07T12:56:26Z")
Another day, another Twitter tantrum from the Toddler-in-Chief > [@Bigmouth Tinyfingers](#): > > Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of “Meet the Press” had a total meltdown in his interview with highly reaspected Senator @RonJohnsonWI. Seems that a not very bright Chuck just wasn’t getting the answers he was looking for in order to make me look as bad as possible. I did NOTHING wrong! > > Good job, I must say, by Bob Woodward on “Deface the Nation.” The CBS no name host(ess), and other guest, Peter Baker of The Failing New York Times, were totally biased, boring and wrong (as usual), but Woodward was cool, calm and interesting. Thank you Bob! > > .@60Minutes “forgot” to report that we are helping the great farmers of the USA to the tune of 28 Billion Dollars, for the last two years, paid for out of Tariffs paid to the United States by China for targeting the farmer. They devalued their currency, therefore paying the cost! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7893 "2019-10-07T13:04:20Z")
I linked to that Ron Johnson interview in the impeachment inquiry thread. There was suspicion that maybe he wasn’t quite comfortable with Trump’s behavior. That interview settled that! (Turns out, Johnson doesn’t give a shit, and instead of answering simple questions goes on a red faced shouting “whatabout” psychotic episode.) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7894 "2019-10-07T13:27:56Z")
> [@mjmlabs](#): > > That’s a fair point. I shall take that under advisement, and strive to comport myself more in accordance with prevailing social norms, and community standards, henceforth. > > In my defense, I may have been confused by the incursion of Pit-like behavior in other fora recently. Also, I’m pretty wasted right now, which is admittedly no excuse. > > [d/r] You suck at this… ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7895 "2019-10-07T13:28:30Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The expulsion possibility does seem to take the place of impeachment for members of Congress. > > As for Article I Section 6: that’s a tad ambiguous, too, as it appears to apply to ‘double duty’ (being elected a member of Congress and then being appointed to some civil office in addition to being a member of Congress). No doubt there is extensive commentary on this available from Constitutional scholars, but for the moment I’d be content with the ‘expel, don’t impeach’ idea. > > And of course Trump is still, unambiguously, wrong. On CBS Sunday Morning, Jane Pauley read the story about Trump/Romney and ended with “Senators cannot be impeached.” Jane said it; I believe it; that settles it. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7896 "2019-10-07T14:18:53Z")
> [@mjmlabs](#): > > That’s a fair point. I shall take that under advisement, and strive to comport myself more in accordance with prevailing social norms, and community standards, henceforth. > > In my defense, I may have been confused by the incursion of Pit-like behavior in other fora recently. Also, I’m pretty wasted right now, which is admittedly no excuse. > > [d/r] This is probably the first time anyone has ever used the “I was drunk, that’s why I was civil and polite” card. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7897 "2019-10-07T14:36:26Z")
Tweeted by Cheeto-faced Shitgibbon: > [@](#): > > .@60Minutes “forgot” to report that we are helping the great farmers of the USA to the tune of 28 Billion Dollars, for the last two years, paid for out of Tariffs paid to the United States by China for targeting the farmer. They devalued their currency, therefore paying the cost! Does this idiot still think that China is mailing cash to the US Treasury for the tariffs? Seriously? He really does think that? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7898 "2019-10-07T14:38:41Z")
I think he does. But even if he doesn’t, his marks will because he said so. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7899 "2019-10-07T15:45:33Z")
**As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over…the captured ISIS fighters and families. The U.S. has done far more than anyone could have ever expected, including the capture of 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. It is time now for others in the region, some of great wealth, to protect their own territory. THE USA IS GREAT!** Wow. Just wow. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7900 "2019-10-07T15:47:20Z")
…you’re putting us on, right? Yankin’ the ol’ chain? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/7901 "2019-10-07T16:23:28Z")
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