# Butt-Hurt Trump Takes to Twitter Again (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428 "2016-11-19T15:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 453
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9043 "2020-07-10T19:16:53Z")
Unfortunately, Trump _actually is_ the PotUS until January of next year. (Barring something drastic - please, we’ve had enough chaos this year, I’m not looking for more crap hitting the fan.) The tantrums still look awful. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9044 "2020-07-10T20:18:08Z")
“Too many Universities and School Systems are about Radical Left Indoctrination, not Education. Therefore, I am telling the Treasury Department to re-examine their Tax-Exempt Status… … and/or Funding, which will be taken away if this Propaganda or Act Against Public Policy continues. Our children must be Educated, not Indoctrinated!” > When is he going to examine whether churches should have their tax exempt status taken away for indoctrinating their parishioners in radical right indoctrination? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9045 "2020-07-10T20:32:35Z")
C’mon Rick, you know it’s okay if a Republican does it. > [@Frank Wilhoit](#): > > Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9046 "2020-07-10T21:06:37Z")
> [@solost](#): > > - They show he’s involved with something that is illegal, like tax evasion > - They show large influxes of cash from Russia Maybe / probably a dumb question, and a total hijack to boot (y’all get a twofer today!), but if Agent Orange’s taxes showed either of these wouldn’t he have been in deep shit well before now? He’s been a scam artist for decades and if he was going to cheat on his taxes or take bribes or whatever kind of illegal activity his return might show, I can’t imagine it started recently. Given that, why would the IRS have ignored it forever? If he’s involved in tax evasion he should’ve been nailed years ago. If nothing else, this almost 4 year long argument should’ve prompted the IRS to at least take a bit of a deeper look at his taxes to see if anything shady was going on, I would think. Personally, my guess WRT the tax return issue is that his taxes show _the truth._ Probably that he’s not quite as rich as he claims or something else rather unnewsworthy. But if there is one single thing that defines Trump it is his complete disassociation with the truth. He lies about Every. Single. Fucking. Thing. Everything he can, every time he can. Full stop. Remember when he claimed to have invented the phrase “prime the pump” right then and there in an interview? So stupid and mundane, but he just _had_ to lie about it. No matter what is going on in the world or his life or hell, anything, he has to tell a lie to make either himself look better or someone else look worse. And his tax returns would be right there, black and white, no real way to spin it. Just numbers. And numbers don’t lie. So I think he doesn’t want them released not because they’re particularly juicy but because once they’re released he can’t control the narrative WRT his personal wealth and finances. But what the hell do I know. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9047 "2020-07-10T23:35:53Z")
(Beginning of continued hijack) The sad truth is, lots of rich people get away with tax fraud all the time. They have the means to hide their ill-gotten gains. The IRS is poorly funded and poorly manned. Their task force to examine fraudulent behavior is small. Trump’s organization is privately held. That means no watchdog groups were paying attention to what he is/was doing. It’s those groups that draw attention to suspicious activity. There was no SEC oversight. No shareholder oversight. In the few instances where lay persons at Deusche Bank drew attention to irregular transactions, the instances were hushed up by their superiors and never reported for further investigation. If an investigator at the IRS has no basis to subpoena the underlying records to do a deeper dive to learn if actual fraud is occurring, they take valuations mostly at face value and the records are never examined. This is the sort of tax fraud Trump and his family favor: Valuation games. Value high for loans, gifts and deductions, value low for tax assessments and sales. They scammed hundreds of millions of dollars in this way using shell companies and other evasive tactics over decades. A very worthy article to read: > **[Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father...](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html)** > > The president has long sold himself as a self-made billionaire, but a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s. Even if the IRS suspected fraud, they may simply not have had the resources to go after Trump. It takes a fleet of forensic accountants to trace through all these rabbit warrens. The process is very time consuming and expensive. That’s the point of them. But SDNY does. And so does Manhattan DA Cy Vance Jr. TL;dr: No, Trump would not necessarily have been nailed years ago. As a privately held enterprise, it is far more likely that he never would have been, had he not been given the presidency by the Russians and made himself a high profile target. (End of hijack) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9048 "2020-07-11T04:48:48Z")
Personally, I like the notion that he invented the word [“fake.”](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-takes-credit-for-inventing-the-word-fake-a7989221.html) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9049 "2020-07-11T14:00:57Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Unfortunately, Trump _actually is_ the PotUS until January of next year. I am entirely all too aware of that fact, but I’m going by the rule of if it does _not_ look like a duck, does _not_ walk like a duck, and does _not_ quack like a duck, I’ll be damned before I call it a duck. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > As a privately held enterprise, it is far more likely that he never would have been, had he not been given the presidency by the Russians and made himself a high profile target. I’ve said before, I have a fantasy of Donny Two-scoops sitting in a prison cell reflecting on how he could have gone on grifting a hundred thousand here, a couple million there, indefinitely but decided to take that escalator down June 16, 2015. Yeah, I know he’s incapable of introspection. Like I said, it’s a fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9050 "2020-07-11T14:34:29Z")
What Aspenglow said! Also if past returns show lots of Russian cash when he was still a private citizen, it might not be illegal but it would further show how beholden he is to Russia. Not that that would make a damn bit of difference politically, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9051 "2020-07-11T14:44:31Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > If an investigator at the IRS has no basis to subpoena the underlying records to do a deeper dive to learn if actual fraud is occurring, they take valuations mostly at face value and the records are never examined. But Trump himself has repeatedly claimed that the IRS has his taxes under audit continuously for at least the past four years. Maybe I’m missing something, but that seems to imply that someone at the IRS is indeed carefully examining Trump’s tax records. Of course, an important question is whether Trump is lying about the audit excuse. And the answer to that is: of course he is. Has anyone ever heard of the IRS taking more than four fucking years to close out an audit? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9052 "2020-07-11T15:13:08Z")
Trumps entire ‘business model’ is a shell game. I suspect that the IRS has a hard time keeping up with the latest con. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9053 "2020-07-11T15:14:53Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > But Trump himself has repeatedly claimed that the IRS has his taxes under audit continuously for at least the past four years. Maybe I’m missing something, but that seems to imply that someone at the IRS is indeed carefully examining Trump’s tax records. You’re expecting self-consistent logic from Trump? That’s cute. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9054 "2020-07-11T15:22:47Z")
Would not surprise me at all if the head of the IRS is replaced again, and soon. Hmmm. Perhaps Jared? Steven Miller is too busy writing a manifesto. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9055 "2020-07-11T15:28:23Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > You’re expecting self-consistent logic from Trump? That’s cute. Well, no, I’m not expecting anything of the sort. Someday I wish he’d surprise me, but I’m not holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9056 "2020-07-11T15:32:56Z")
This is how i’m hoping trump will surprise me: > **[Rough polling stretch has GOP operatives asking: Could Trump drop out?](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-polls-republican-gop-operatives-possible-drop-out)** > > A stretch of lackluster polling for President Trump has some Republican operatives nervous about the president’s reelection prospects in November – with some even floating the possibility that Trump could drop out if his poll numbers don’t rebound ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9057 "2020-07-11T15:59:59Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Trumps entire ‘business model’ is a shell game. I suspect that the IRS has a hard time keeping up with the latest con. The amount of legal and semi-legal shenanigans real estate developers are allowed is astounding, and I’ve no doubt that Trump and his organization has delved deeply into the mostly illegal and wholly illegal side of shenanigans. It’s a good business for it, because there really aren’t all that many convictions handed out unless one is tiny and can’t afford a (in)decent legal team. A lot of real estate development is a shell game, and their lobbyists keep it so. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9058 "2020-07-11T18:52:22Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > But Trump himself has repeatedly claimed that the IRS has his taxes under audit continuously for at least the past four years. Maybe I’m missing something, but that seems to imply that someone at the IRS is indeed carefully examining Trump’s tax records. No doubt you’re familiar with the old “set of two books” strategy, the one where you have a “legitimate” set of books for review by the IRS/banks/others, and then you have the real set of books, that represents the true state of your financial wealth. So you know which set of books the IRS is going to get when they audit Trump. The receipts and supporting documentation he and his accountant submit to the IRS will match what is represented in those books. Since his is a privately-held business, who is going to alert the IRS to the real set of books? What basis would the IRS have to dig deeper into things like shell companies, faked receipts, money laundering and the like? IRS audits are meant to determine that the income/expenses reported on a tax return can be matched to some legitimate – or legitimate-appearing – set of records. That’s it. Their chief concern is collecting tax, not running prosecutions. So… Now let’s suppose that maybe the IRS pays as much attention to the news as the rest of us, and some regular IRS chief says to himself, “Say, maybe we should have a closer look.” What does Trump do? Oh, yeah. [https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/05/politics/irs-commissioner-charles-rettig-trump-taxes/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/05/politics/irs-commissioner-charles-rettig-trump-taxes/index.html) Another firewall. But now let’s imagine the IRS _did_ discover criminal fraudulent transactions by the Trump organizations even before Trump could install his own guy. What must they do with it? They can’t prosecute it themselves. They have to turn it over to a federal US Attorney’s Office for prosecution. The one(s) in which the allegedly illegal transactions occurred. Like SDNY, EDNY or DC District. Waitaminute… which offices was it again where Trump/Barr installed their own goons? Trump has been protecting his tax records and resulting prosecution for them since forever. Being “president” has only made it easier for him. For now. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9059 "2020-07-11T19:51:50Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Trump has been protecting his tax records and resulting prosecution for them since forever. Being “president” has only made it easier for him. Understood. My main point really concerned Trump’s ridiculous claim that his taxes are under some sort of eternal audit that is never resolved. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9060 "2020-07-11T21:12:24Z")
My apologies. I didn’t mean to talk down to you. I thought there was some genuine confusion. Though I am positive that in normal times, Trump’s tax returns really _are_ under an eternal audit. Probably every single year he files. I’ve never understood why anyone accepts him being under an audit as a legitimate basis to not release his returns. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9061 "2020-07-12T17:26:18Z")
> [@Donald Trump](#): > > I disagreed with doing this very small (tiny) section of wall, in a tricky area, by a private group which raised money by ads. It was only done to make me look bad, and perhsps it now doesn’t even work. Should have been built like rest of Wall, 500 plus miles. [So now Trump is dissing his own supporters and saying that they are really working _against_ him.](https://apnews.com/a3f8fe11e88898cd4fa96ea50038e57d) This poor guy is sooooooo persecuted. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428/9062 "2020-07-13T13:29:30Z")
So at the same time the trump admin is distancing themselves from Dr. Fauci, trump retweets several tweets from game show host and world-famous epidemiologist Chuck Woolery, talking right-wing BS about how the virus is overblown: > **Chuck Woolery** > The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it’s all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I’m sick of it. Absolutely no leadership on the Covid pandemic as cases continue to skyrocket. In fact, not just no leadership, it’s like anti-leadership. This is going to get very bad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428.md?page=452) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butt-hurt-trump-takes-to-twitter-again-part-1/772428.md?page=454)