# Butthurt Great Americans **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2016, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242 "2016-11-17T07:04:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/41 "2016-11-17T21:27:20Z")
Yep, that’s the least. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/42 "2016-11-17T21:28:59Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > This election shows otherwise. > > And,\* it doesn’t matter;\* the bigots have seized the levers of power. Nobody’s going to stop them from doing as they please, nor can they. > > Protests? Protestors will be ignored, or beaten into submission by the police, or just shot. Most likely to the acclaim of the public. > > Voting? Voting suppression is going to run rampant; if you aren’t a white male in a Republican area, you probably effectively no longer have a vote. Just trying to vote will probably get you assaulted, and if you actually get to a polling place you’ll find your registration no longer exists. And worst of all, the powdered wigs are really going to itch. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/43 "2016-11-17T22:18:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Well, that’s too bad because it’s too late. They control the government, or will very shortly once they take office. They do get a free pass, and there’s nothing we can do to stop Trump doing anything he likes or letting the bigots do as they please. > > And I think it’s going to be a lot worse than insults. I think we’re headed back to the days of Jim Crow, lynchings and [race](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_race_riot_of_1919) [riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot), with white mobs invading black and brown neighborhoods, burning and killing everything they come across. While the police look on in approval, or join in. > > With even more rape because hatred of women is as much a factor as racism, this time around. None of this will happen. It’s pure insanity, even moreso than the OP Do you really think there have been white mobs just _waiting_ for a cheeto-faced moron to take power so that they could get back to lynching and burning? If so, your view of humanity is even bleaker than I thought. People talk about the KKK in this thread as if they are scary and relevant, the [Southern Poverty Law Center](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/ku-klux-klan) estimates their membership at 5000 - 8000 people. That is NOTHING, they have no power, their endorsement of Trump means less than if the American Society of Quilters (over 37,000 strong) had endorsed a candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Lydia\_Phalfav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@Lydia\_Phalfav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lydia_Phalfav)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/44 "2016-11-17T22:56:03Z")
Because you had one bad encounter with a judgmental, mean weirdo, that gives you the right to be another mean, judgmental weirdo? Sorry, but after crying wolf too many times, I can’t take libs seriously anymore with all the “feelings porn” narratives & strawmen. Instead of taking a step back to honestly consider solid reasons for the Trumplash, so many libs double down & keep digging themselves deeper into denial. It’s not that the majority of the country is “racist” or “bigoted” or “x-phobic” it’s that we’re sick of the constant bombardment of shitty reasoning coupled with feelings porn. Sorry, but the “piss on their legs & tell them it’s raining” crap has run its course. The spoiled child is overdue for a spanking to bring it back down to reality. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/45 "2016-11-17T23:03:48Z")
> [@Zyanthia](#): > > Quote snipped. > > Do you truly believe this? I know that we’ve had some bad times in America, but I have a hard time accepting that this would happen today, no matter who’s the president. I’d like to think that citizens are more likely to step up today in solidarity than in years past. I’ve copied Mr. **Trihs’** predictions and will make a note to myself to revisit them in a year. If I’m not in one of the camps, that is 😉 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/46 "2016-11-17T23:11:30Z")
> [@Lydia\_Phalfav](#): > > Because you had one bad encounter with a judgmental, mean weirdo, that gives you the right to be another mean, judgmental weirdo? > > Sorry, but after crying wolf too many times, I can’t take libs seriously anymore with all the “feelings porn” narratives & strawmen. We understand, and we’re very grateful for the time you spent taking us seriously in the past, before this terrible situation forced your hand. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/47 "2016-11-17T23:51:52Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > None of this will happen. It’s pure insanity, even moreso than the OP > > Do you really think there have been white mobs just _waiting_ for a cheeto-faced moron to take power so that they could get back to lynching and burning? If so, your view of humanity is even bleaker than I thought. > > People talk about the KKK in this thread as if they are scary and relevant, the [Southern Poverty Law Center](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/ku-klux-klan) estimates their membership at 5000 - 8000 people. That is NOTHING, they have no power, their endorsement of Trump means less than if the American Society of Quilters (over 37,000 strong) had endorsed a candidate. Dyed-in-the-wool KKK members may be few and far between, but people who think Muslims should be deported by force, or round up into camps, or forcefully converted? People who think trans and gay people should be forcefully un-transed and un-gayed? People who think interracial marriage should be illegal again? Add those together, and it’s probably in the tens of millions. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/48 "2016-11-17T23:55:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > But what’s really gonna hurt is when the sky falls and crushes us all! > > But at least it’ll get the [del]black-hating, Mexican-hating, Muslim-hating, gay-hating, trans-hating, woman-hating, school-hating, liberal-hating, progress-hating, drug-hating, crime-hating, science fiction-hating[/del] Republicans too. If you believe that the things that I listed are not likely to happen with a Republican President and a Republican Congress, then you’ve got all the sense of a paper towel tube. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/49 "2016-11-17T23:57:54Z")
He doesn’t like Trump, he just hates us a lot more. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/50 "2016-11-18T00:29:13Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > Do you really think there have been white mobs just _waiting_ for a cheeto-faced moron to take power so that they could get back to lynching and burning? Several tens of millions of them, yes. That’s why and how Trump was elected, on the votes of would-be tyrants, theocrats and genocidal killers. > [@Lydia\_Phalfav](#): > > Sorry, but after crying wolf too many times, I can’t take libs seriously anymore with all the “feelings porn” narratives & strawmen. Instead of taking a step back to honestly consider solid reasons for the Trumplash, so many libs double down & keep digging themselves deeper into denial. > > It’s not that the majority of the country is “racist” or “bigoted” or “x-phobic” it’s that we’re sick of the constant bombardment of shitty reasoning coupled with feelings porn. Sorry, but the “piss on their legs & tell them it’s raining” crap has run its course. The spoiled child is overdue for a spanking to bring it back down to reality. The \*reality \*being that the Right is composed of bigots and sadists. And the “spanking” being the people who denied that reality being oppressed, tortured, raped and killed while they scream that it can’t be happening. The Democrats haven’t been crying wolf; they’ve been loudly denying there\* are\* any wolves while the wolves run around eating people. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I’ve copied Mr. **Trihs’** predictions and will make a note to myself to revisit them in a year. > > If I’m not in one of the camps, that is 😉 I didn’t say anything about camps; I said mass killing. You don’t need camps for that. And if you think that I’ll be \*unhappy \*to be wrong you are deluding yourself. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/51 "2016-11-18T00:54:59Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Well, that’s too bad because it’s too late. They control the government, or will very shortly once they take office. They do get a free pass, and there’s nothing we can do to stop Trump doing anything he likes or letting the bigots do as they please. > > And I think it’s going to be a lot worse than insults. I think we’re headed back to the days of Jim Crow, lynchings and [race](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_race_riot_of_1919) [riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot), with white mobs invading black and brown neighborhoods, burning and killing everything they come across. While the police look on in approval, or join in. > > With even more rape because hatred of women is as much a factor as racism, this time around. And when none of this comes to pass will you retract any of your hysterical prophecies? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/52 "2016-11-18T01:56:10Z")
> [@brujaja](#): > > It was a time when black and white folks weren’t getting along so well, and it happened in Oakland. I’m a punk chick and the other person was a teenage girl. I got harrassed every day. People with a strong personal presence seldom seem to understand this, but anyone who has ever been picked on will tell you: you know when a given person is going to mess with you. I wasn’t “reading her mind.” It was obvious. I cannot relate to this story specifically: I’m not in an oppressed minority and, anyway, my social instincts are poor. I do, however, have a (fairly passive or vague) acquaintance with certain facets of society (e.g. street people) and I _CAN_ attest that there are some facets of American life that are _invisible to many Dopers_. I’ve often seen Dopers astounded by accounts, e.g. by former street people, that clearly matched my own experiences. The responses to you in this thread bring those other threads to mind. Paraphrasing from _Blues Brothers_, I imagine some Dopers saying “Oh, we’re familiar with BOTH kinds of American here! Urban elites AND bland suburbanites.” ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/53 "2016-11-18T04:18:45Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I didn’t say anything about camps; I said mass killing. You don’t need camps for that. No, you didn’t say anything about camps. I did. Well spotted. > [@](#): > > And if you think that I’ll be \*unhappy \*to be wrong you are deluding yourself. What a strange interpretation. Your future happiness or unhappiness has nothing to do with my point. Actually, simply recognizing you might be wrong is more than sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/54 "2016-11-18T04:47:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And when none of this comes to pass will you retract any of your hysterical prophecies? They’re already talking about internment camps for Muslims and they aren’t even in office yet; how am I being “hysterical”? Oh, let me guess. We’re all supposed to try _real hard_ to pretend that they don’t mean anything they are saying, right up until _we personally_ are dragged away to our death. They’re Republicans, so it’s taboo to admit that they could \*possibly \*be bad people. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/55 "2016-11-18T05:13:10Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They’re already talking about internment camps for Muslims and they aren’t even in office yet; how am I being "hysterical? I suspect the answer to who ‘they’ is will provide the answer to your question as well. Care to tell us who ‘they’ is? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/56 "2016-11-18T05:22:16Z")
“They” for now seems to be Carl Higbie, a Trump supporter with no apparent official connection to his campaign or transition team. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/57 "2016-11-18T06:12:03Z")
Exactly. And yet Higbie has stated for the record that he [does not agree with interment camps and is not proposing them](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19790578&postcount=107) and has in fact referred to them as ‘[horrific](https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2016/11/17/trump-camp-talk-registry-internment-raises-muslim-fears/BL4oyfGTSaS51fd2648aON/story.html)’. So yeah, **Der Trihs** as usual is being hysterical. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/58 "2016-11-18T08:47:43Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Yes, he wouldn’t even recognize his party. > > If Lincoln were alive today, he’d be rolling over in his grave. > > [What caused the polar shift…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=710882) Actually, he’d probably be clawing at the lid of his coffin… ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/59 "2016-11-18T09:26:13Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Kinda like the police brutality/racism issue that got big after Ferguson. You think this is _new_? You don’t think this has been happening the _entire_ time police have existed, _everywhere_ they existed? No, it hasn’t happened all the time, in each and every place where there is police, and there is a huge difference between places where if it happens it’s viewed as unacceptable and those where it is viewed as the default. One of the things that weakened ETA was that a big source for them was “immigrants” (in “” because they used to be from other Spanish regions) and the current immigrants hear our police called brutal and laugh their pants off. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242/60 "2016-11-18T09:57:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Exactly. > > And yet Higbie has stated for the record that he [does not agree with interment camps and is not proposing them](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19790578&postcount=107) and has in fact referred to them as ‘[horrific](https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2016/11/17/trump-camp-talk-registry-internment-raises-muslim-fears/BL4oyfGTSaS51fd2648aON/story.html)’. > > So yeah, **Der Trihs** as usual is being hysterical. **Der Trihs** is frequently hysterical but that quote you think proves your point really doesn’t. Higbie’s “I’m not saying we should have internment camps; I’m just saying we need to protect America and, y’know, there’s precedent…” is not exactly a strong repudiation of the idea. And then there’s Kris Kobach, current SoS for Kansas and Trump adviser: > [@](#): > > To implement Trump’s call for “extreme vetting” of some Muslim immigrants, Kobach said the immigration policy group could recommend the reinstatement of a national registry of immigrants and visitors who enter the United States on visas from countries where extremist organizations are active. > > Kobach helped design the program, known as the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System, while serving in Republican President George W. Bush’s Department of Justice after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States by al Qaeda militants. > > Under NSEERS, people from countries deemed “higher risk” were required to undergo interrogations and fingerprinting on entering the United States. Some non-citizen male U.S. residents over the age of 16 from countries with active militant threats were required to register in person at government offices and periodically check in. > > NSEERS was abandoned in 2011 after it was deemed redundant by the Department of Homeland Security and criticized by civil rights groups for unfairly targeting immigrants from Muslim- majority nations. Nothing to worry about there, nope. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/butthurt-great-americans/772242.md?page=4)