# Bwahahahaha! Spammer ordered to pay $11.2 BILLION! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2006, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259 "2006-01-10T02:35:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/1 "2006-01-10T02:35:14Z")
It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. [Link](http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/legalissues/story/0,10801,107598p2,00.html) > [@](#): > > Robert Kramer, the owner and operator of CIS Internet Services in Clinton, Iowa, has won an $11.2 billion judgment against a Miami-based spammer who sent millions of illegal e-mails advertising mortgage and debt-consolidation services, according to court documents. > > \ > > In the lawsuit, Kramer established that McCalla sent more than 280 million illegal spam e-mail messages into CIS’s computer network in 2003. In testimony for a November damages hearing, Kramer said that – based on mail server log entries – CIS could show the actual transmission of at least 8 million illegal e-mail messages. Under the Iowa statute in effect at the time the spam was sent, Kramer was entitled to $10 per illegal e-mail, he said. It seems unlikely that Kramer will ever collect this huge sum, but hopefully it will at least put McCalla out of business, and hopefully even bankrupt the fucker. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/2 "2006-01-10T02:51:57Z")
\ HA HA \ **Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/3 "2006-01-10T03:19:08Z") Ahh, justice. One down, ?,??? to go. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/4 "2006-01-10T03:53:09Z")
Of course, [merely being annoying on the net is now illegal.](http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html?part=rss&tag=6022491&subj=news) > [@](#): > > Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime. > > It’s no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity. ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/5 "2006-01-10T04:10:08Z")
**mhendo** Oh that is GREAT !!! 😃 I’m just hoping that shithead McCalla can’t just fold up his “business” :rolleyes: move across the street and start up a brand new shit spam “service”. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/6 "2006-01-10T04:31:43Z")
I love because it so… just. I mean if a judge had said “I hate spammers. Make it $11.2 BILLION!” I would have had mixed feelings. I like the fact that it’s such a modest judgement. “…And all it will cost you is ten dollars eaches.” ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/7 "2006-01-10T04:32:19Z")
Every now and then I’m truly joyous. This is one of them. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/8 "2006-01-10T04:43:28Z")
Well, if we can’t tar and feather them, then this will have to suffice. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/9 "2006-01-10T10:20:19Z")
I expect emails any day now telling me I’m entitled to collect a share of this judgement and all I need to do is send a small legal fee. ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/10 "2006-01-10T10:50:29Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > It seems unlikely that Kramer will ever collect this huge sum That’s pretty cynical. According to the ruling, the award money has already been set up to be awarded. The only hitch is that it’s in a trust fund in Nigeria… ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/11 "2006-01-10T11:28:30Z")
What’s the opposite of a miscarriage of justice? A piece of justice so flawlessly perfect that it transcends justice itself. I think we’re going to need a word for it. ---
**Author:** ![Mississippienne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@Mississippienne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mississippienne)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/12 "2006-01-10T11:34:40Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > What’s the opposite of a miscarriage of justice? A piece of justice so flawlessly perfect that it transcends justice itself. I think we’re going to need a word for it. Immaculate conception of justice? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/13 "2006-01-10T11:43:51Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > What’s the opposite of a miscarriage of justice? A piece of justice so flawlessly perfect that it transcends justice itself. I think we’re going to need a word for it. Justice has been delivered, photographed beautifully for the album, slept through the night from the very first day, potty trained as soon as she could sit up, cut all of her teeth without so much as a peep, put herself through school with savings from summer jobs she started at age nine ( which never interfered with her chores at all,) went into business for herself at eighteen, moved out the same year, graced the cover of _Fortune_ the next, and made an IPO at twenty which bought her parents a nice place in the Hamptons for their early retirement. There isn’t a single word for it in English, but ask a German – he’ll be able to help you out. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/14 "2006-01-10T14:15:34Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > There isn’t a single word for it in English, but ask a German – he’ll be able to help you out. Spammenstoppenvittensheiten. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/15 "2006-01-10T14:27:55Z")
Not only was he fined but he was “prohibited from accessing the Internet for a period of three years”. I wonder what the penalities are if he violates this? ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/16 "2006-01-10T14:34:49Z")
What’s that funny tingle I feel? I believe … I believe that’s the feeling of justice. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/17 "2006-01-10T15:20:26Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > What’s that funny tingle I feel? > > I believe … I believe that’s the feeling of > justice. Ooooh. I got a shiver. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/18 "2006-01-10T15:23:38Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > What’s that funny tingle I feel? > > I believe … I believe that’s the feeling of > justice. It could be the bird flu. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/19 "2006-01-10T15:27:22Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > It could be the bird flu. [Black Knight] It’s just a flesh wound! [/BK] ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2006, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259/20 "2006-01-10T16:53:11Z")
**"Bwahahahaha! Spammer ordered to pay $11.2 BILLION!"** And in protest, the spammer decides to pay his fine in pennies. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bwahahahaha-spammer-ordered-to-pay-11-2-billion/339259.md?page=2)