# BYU player booted from team for having sex **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 3, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309 "2011-03-03T03:38:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jk1245](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@jk1245](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jk1245)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/21 "2011-03-03T19:55:49Z")
Wonder if the girlfriend is preggo or something, since the obvious answer is “no” when asked if you’ve done this and a “yes” jeopardizes your athletic career. How’d you like to be the girlfriend? Now the whole country knows that you are a lustful harlot who tempted the noble basketball player into sinful, sinful behavior. Like a previous poster, I actually respect BYU for sticking to their honor code, although I think it’s a bit ridiculous. But then again, the players know what they’re getting into beforehand. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/22 "2011-03-03T20:55:27Z")
Mike and Mike this morning reported that his girlfriend is rumored to be pregnant. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/23 "2011-03-03T20:56:13Z")
As someone who has had a little closer view of BYU’s “Honor Code,” I don’t respect BYU or their disgusting code at all. It’s the only respected university in America with their own secret police of busybodies monitoring your personal life. Sleep in on Sunday and miss church? You’ll be reported. Park overnight at someone else’s apartment? You’ll be reported. Forget to shave? You won’t be allowed to take a test. Make a calendar shirtless guys? They’ll refuse to give you the degree you earned. The Code is not about honor at all-- it’s about controlling the behavior and thoughts of teenagers and twenty-somethings as much as the Mormon church can get away with. We should be pointing and laughing, not congratulating them. Also, it’s bullshit that this proves how high BYU’s standards are for its athletes. A few years ago, some girl was raped at a party full of BYU football recruits. I don’t believe anyone was even disciplined over that incident. I’ll bet this kid is just too honest for his own good or his girlfriend is pregnant. As stated upthread, Jim McMahon got through four years, doing all kinds of shit that no one ever called him on. > [@etv78](#): > > I respect BYU for upholding their values, but I hope they realize that they’ll never win a title with a majority non-Mormon roster. Huh? Did you mean the opposite, that they’ll never win with a majority Mormon team? Or are Mormons super-skilled at basketball like Shawn Bradley? Anyway, I think BYU’s team has been majority non-Mormon for a while. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/24 "2011-03-03T21:00:20Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > Or are Mormons super-skilled at basketball like Shawn Bradley? Having watched Shawn Bradley play, this made me chuckle. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/25 "2011-03-03T21:16:44Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > Huh? Did you mean the opposite, that they’ll never win with a majority Mormon team? Or are Mormons super-skilled at basketball like Shawn Bradley? Anyway, I think BYU’s team has been majority non-Mormon for a while. So how closely do non-Mormon’s have to follow the rules? I imagine the grooming, dress and overall behavioral standards would pretty much be the same, but howabout the going to church on Sunday thing? If they’re not Mormon, do they still have to attend services at whatever church they do belong to? ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/26 "2011-03-03T21:18:13Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Having watched Shawn Bradley play, this made me chuckle. Sadly, this is despite the fact that Mormons, unique among religions, put a basketball court _inside_ every church they build (in North America.) If only the founders of the religion had not been such crazy racists, BYU could’ve been the NY Yankees of college basketball. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/27 "2011-03-03T21:25:00Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > Well, here’s one example: > > [Reggie Bush - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggie_Bush) > > And another: > > [Derrick Rose - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Rose) > > And this: > > [St. Bonaventure University - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bonaventure_University#Athletics) > > And of course this: > > [Dave Bliss - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Bliss) And let’s not forget Cam Newton… ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/28 "2011-03-03T21:29:33Z")
Apparently Jim McMahon is not welcome for induction in the BYU Hall of Fame, which is apparently his punishment for various honor code infractions back in the day (not that he ever got benched or kicked off the team at the time). ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/29 "2011-03-03T21:30:05Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > So how closely do non-Mormon’s have to follow the rules? I imagine the grooming, dress and overall behavioral standards would pretty much be the same, but howabout the going to church on Sunday thing? If they’re not Mormon, do they still have to attend services at whatever church they do belong to? I believe the only requirement about church attendance for non-Mormons is that once a year their priest or religious leader has to sign a statement saying they are a member in good standing. So I would assume it would be between the student and their religious leader about how often they have to show up to church. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/30 "2011-03-03T22:01:15Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > Apparently Jim McMahon is not welcome for induction in the BYU Hall of Fame, which is apparently his punishment for various honor code infractions back in the day (not that he ever got benched or kicked off the team at the time). According to Wiki at least, this is because he [left 10 credit hours short of a degree](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McMahon). It doesn’t mention any honor code violations, and notes that he has said he will complete his requirements so as to become eligible. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/31 "2011-03-03T22:15:05Z")
> [@villa](#): > > According to Wiki at least, this is because he [left 10 credit hours short of a degree](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McMahon). It doesn’t mention any honor code violations, and notes that he has said he will complete his requirements so as to become eligible. Hmmm…sports talk radio led me wrong, imagine that. Though maybe Jim hasn’t completed those 10 hours cause he knows he won’t be inducted? ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/32 "2011-03-03T22:43:06Z")
Erdosain-I mean that Mormons have been raised in the “code” and know what they’re getting into. Catholics (like McMahon) get culture shocked. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/33 "2011-03-03T22:48:54Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Erdosain-I mean that Mormons have been raised in the “code” and know what they’re getting into. Catholics (like McMahon) get culture shocked. Just for reference, I think Davies is a Mormon. He’s from Utah and [his profile page on the BYU site seems to indicate he’s gone on a mission.](http://www.byucougars.com/Profile.jsp?ID=7983) ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/34 "2011-03-03T22:53:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Just for reference, I think Davies is a Mormon. He’s from Utah and [his profile page on the BYU site seems to indicate he’s gone on a mission.](http://www.byucougars.com/Profile.jsp?ID=7983) His Mormonism has been mentioned in stories about the incident. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/35 "2011-03-04T00:03:16Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Erdosain-I mean that Mormons have been raised in the “code” and know what they’re getting into. Catholics (like McMahon) get culture shocked. Ah, that makes more sense. But surely the pool of good basketball players is small enough without restricting yourself to a tiny religious minority. Kicking players off the team for infractions is fairly rare. > [@Marley23](#): > > Just for reference, I think Davies is a Mormon. He’s from Utah and [his profile page on the BYU site seems to indicate he’s gone on a mission.](http://www.byucougars.com/Profile.jsp?ID=7983) Thanks, Marley. I had assumed he wasn’t Mormon, well, because he’s African-American. My bad. It is rare. Seeing as Davies was a freshman last year, I wonder if they let him do his mission a year early so there wouldn’t be an interruption in his playing career. I had a friend who was recruited by BYU basketball and he did his mission a year early, at 18-years-old, so he could get four years straight basketball. Just another example of the special treatment BYU athletes get. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/36 "2011-03-04T00:05:52Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > Hmmm…sports talk radio led me wrong, imagine that. Though maybe Jim hasn’t completed those 10 hours cause he knows he won’t be inducted? Not necessarily - it wouldn’t be the first time wiki had led me wrong… Even if it is the case, though, it still would stink a little to me - allow Jim to play while he is a student, because you are winning games, but punish him afterwards by keeping him out of the Hall of Fame? Unless BYU would claim they only became aware of these infractions after he left, which would push credulity somewhat. To be fair, I have absolutely no idea what Jim was like at BYU. As far as I know, he could have followed the rules to the letter. I jsut would be surprised, given his later persona. ---
**Author:** ![sitchensis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sitchensis/32/4892_2.png) [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/37 "2011-03-04T00:08:20Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > As someone who has had a little closer view of BYU’s “Honor Code,” I don’t respect BYU or their disgusting code at all. It’s the only respected university in America with their own secret police of busybodies monitoring your personal life. Army, Navy, Princton, Harvard… Im sure nobody respects those schools ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/38 "2011-03-04T00:45:40Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > Army, Navy, Princton, Harvard… Im sure nobody respects those schools You can’t have sex when you attend West Point? You have to attend church every Sunday in Cambridge? You can’t speak out against the Mormon church at Annapolis? Or do these schools have different Honor Codes than Brigham Young? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/39 "2011-03-04T00:48:06Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > Army, Navy, Princton, Harvard… Im sure nobody respects those schools Please explain how those schools are like BYU. ---
**Author:** ![sitchensis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sitchensis/32/4892_2.png) [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/40 "2011-03-04T01:53:45Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Please explain how those schools are like BYU. All the schools I listed are respected institutions that have honor codes. If you don’t agree with honor codes in general, then you should have a similar distaste for the honor codes at all institutions. If you only have a problem with BYU’s honor code then you are drawing an arbitrary line in the sand. Many jobs have completely arbitrary rules, dress codes for instance. Does it really matter if your banker is wearing a tie? But the banker knows that he has to follow the dress code or face some type of punishment. How are this kid and this institution any different. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309.md?page=3)