# BYU player booted from team for having sex **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 3, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309 "2011-03-03T03:38:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/41 "2011-03-04T01:57:48Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > All the schools I listed are respected institutions that have honor codes. > > If you don’t agree with honor codes in general, then you should have a similar distaste for the honor codes at all institutions. > > If you only have a problem with BYU’s honor code then you are drawing an arbitrary line in the sand. > > Many jobs have completely arbitrary rules, dress codes for instance. Does it really matter if your banker is wearing a tie? But the banker knows that he has to follow the dress code or face some type of punishment. > > How are this kid and this institution any different. The BYU code is religous in nature, and holds people outside that faith to it. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/42 "2011-03-04T02:01:30Z")
> [@villa](#): > > How the hell did Jim McMahon last 4 years there? It’s widely known that BYU practically broke it’s collective fucking neck by looking so hard the other way in McMahon’s case… They have gotten hardcore over the past few years, and don’t give anyone a free pass anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/43 "2011-03-04T02:04:23Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > The BYU code is religous in nature, and holds people outside that faith to it. :dubious: When they choose to go to that school, right? ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/44 "2011-03-04T02:12:54Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > When they choose to go to that school, right? I don’t know that non-Mormons think they’ll be held to Mormon doctrine. Obviously I could be (and probably am) wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/45 "2011-03-04T02:16:32Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > All the schools I listed are respected institutions that have honor codes. > > If you don’t agree with honor codes in general, then you should have a similar distaste for the honor codes at all institutions. > > If you only have a problem with BYU’s honor code then you are drawing an arbitrary line in the sand. > > Many jobs have completely arbitrary rules, dress codes for instance. Does it really matter if your banker is wearing a tie? But the banker knows that he has to follow the dress code or face some type of punishment. > > How are this kid and this institution any different. No offense, but this doesn’t make sense. If I object to one school’s particularly asinine honor code, I have to hate ALL honor codes? Uh, no. I object to a school using its considerable power of expulsion, withholding degrees, etc. to keep a bunch of teenagers scared of their genitals. There’s a reason 50% of graduating BYU students are already married. Because they want to have sex. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/46 "2011-03-04T02:19:41Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > There’s a reason 50% of graduating BYU students are already married. Because they want to have sex. This might be a precise summary of the code’s purpose and effectiveness. ---
**Author:** ![CPomeroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@CPomeroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CPomeroy)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/47 "2011-03-04T02:29:59Z")
I don’t understand the disdain for BYU here. If you go to a school named after a famous figure in a well known very uptight religion and are surprised that they restrict your behavior, you are an idiot. You can disagree with their values all you want, but I think it is admirable they do not make an exception for an outstanding athlete. Something I do not imagine happens at most other Division 1 schools. ---
**Author:** ![sitchensis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sitchensis/32/4892_2.png) [@sitchensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sitchensis)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/48 "2011-03-04T02:30:16Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > The BYU code is religous in nature, and holds people outside that faith to it. :dubious: BYU is a private religious school, the fact that their honor code is religious in nature is the whole point. The only people that have to follow the code are people that choose to go to BYU. The University of Utah is a public university located in Salt Lake City. Students going to the University of Utah do not have to follow BYU’s honor code. Salt lake Community College is a publicly funded community college in Salt Lake City. Student going to SLCC do not have to follow BYU’s honor code. Do you see how this works? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/49 "2011-03-04T02:34:18Z")
> [@villa](#): > > How the hell did Jim McMahon last 4 years there? He learned how to lie. As further punishment the school is going to darken Davies’ skin more so that others will know his shame. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/50 "2011-03-04T02:35:26Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > I don’t know that non-Mormons think they’ll be held to Mormon doctrine. Obviously I could be (and probably am) wrong. You actually think that BYU dosen’t tell prospective non-Mormon students about it’s standards and/or Honor Code? ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/51 "2011-03-04T03:06:10Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > BYU is a private religious school, the fact that their honor code is religious in nature is the whole point. > > The only people that have to follow the code are people that choose to go to BYU. > > The University of Utah is a public university located in Salt Lake City. Students going to the University of Utah do not have to follow BYU’s honor code. Salt lake Community College is a publicly funded community college in Salt Lake City. Student going to SLCC do not have to follow BYU’s honor code. > > Do you see how this works? WTF are you talking about! :rolleyes: So a student at Northeastern or BU has to follow Harvard’s code, or a Rutger’s student has to follow Princeton’s? ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/52 "2011-03-04T03:07:59Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > You actually think that BYU dosen’t tell prospective non-Mormon students about it’s standards and/or Honor Code? I’m sure they know about it, but believe (erroneously, obviously) that non-Mormons will be held to it. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/53 "2011-03-04T03:42:00Z")
He wasn’t as horny as Brigham Young was. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/54 "2011-03-04T03:52:27Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > All the schools I listed are respected institutions that have honor codes. Many colleges have an honor code or something like it, although I don’t think Harvard does. Most of the time, including at Princeton, they’re promises not to cheat or plagiarize on your work. I would venture to guess that relatively few of those codes are overtly religious. You’d find that only at parochial schools like BYU and Notre Dame. So you are wrong if you’re implying you have to either support or oppose these things. [Here is BYU’s honor code](http://saas.byu.edu/catalog/2010-2011ucat/GeneralInfo/HonorCode.php). It forbids drinking caffeine and having gay sex, and you need a doctors’ note if you want to grow a beard. So the objection, obviously, is to religious honor codes and not to “honor codes” as if all codes are the same. But it’s true that the students at BYU know the deal, or they should. Wikipedia says 98 percent of BYU students are Mormons anyway, so not too many of them are being ambushed here. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/55 "2011-03-04T04:01:07Z")
No one is forced to go to BYU, and all who do know the deal. Yes, it’s an oppressive code that I could have never followed, but that’s religion for you. It may be that BYU has overlooked violations in the past, but if the girl’s up the spout, they can’t ignore it. They have to enforce the code or they lose all credibility. How in the hell DID Jim McMahon last more than a week there? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/56 "2011-03-04T04:02:20Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > All the schools I listed are respected institutions that have honor codes. > > If you don’t agree with honor codes in general, then you should have a similar distaste for the honor codes at all institutions. > > If you only have a problem with BYU’s honor code then you are drawing an arbitrary line in the sand. > > Many jobs have completely arbitrary rules, dress codes for instance. Does it really matter if your banker is wearing a tie? But the banker knows that he has to follow the dress code or face some type of punishment. > > How are this kid and this institution any different. You are claiming that all honor codes are equivalent? ---
**Author:** ![Erdosain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/erdosain/32/7284_2.png) [@Erdosain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erdosain)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/57 "2011-03-04T04:05:46Z")
> [@CPomeroy](#): > > You can disagree with their values all you want, but I think it is admirable they do not make an exception for an outstanding athlete. Something I do not imagine happens at most other Division 1 schools. I see what you are saying here, but it’s that the values are so out of whack that I can’t support anyone getting in trouble for it. Policing its students sex lives is in no way admirable. Encouraging students to rat out their friends is in no way admirable. Discouraging open inquiry and free expression is antithetical to the whole mission of higher education. I will not laud them for being unenlightened, petty, and voyeuristic spiritual thugs. It wasn’t that long ago (late 80s, early 90s) that gay students at BYU would get sent to BYU’s Evergreen Program for electroshock aversion therapy. Test subjects would be shown gay porn, and then shocked if they exhibited arousal. This isn’t an admirable institution. It’s like 1984 and Hogwarts had a baby. > [@Sampiro](#): > > As further punishment the school is going to darken Davies’ skin more so that others will know his shame. I LOLed. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/58 "2011-03-04T04:45:49Z")
I’m reminded of when “Mormon Julie” from REAL WORLD was suspended (or possibly expelled) back in the 1990s for violating their policy on living with men she wasn’t married or related to while filming the series. An irony was that she was an excellent ambassador for the religion: wholesome, friendly, pretty, remained true to her values while living in a mansion in New Orleans in Mardi Gras even (no small feat that) and talking of her faith and her virginity through it all- but she broke the rules and was buh-byed. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/59 "2011-03-04T16:13:01Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > BYU is a private religious school, the fact that their honor code is religious in nature is the whole point. > > The only people that have to follow the code are people that choose to go to BYU. > > The University of Utah is a public university located in Salt Lake City. Students going to the University of Utah do not have to follow BYU’s honor code. Salt lake Community College is a publicly funded community college in Salt Lake City. Student going to SLCC do not have to follow BYU’s honor code. > > Do you see how this works? I don’t think anyone is saying they should not be allowed to have this honor code, just that this honor code is wrong. It doesn’t get a pass from criticism because it is religious based, or because people know about it before hand. And I wouldn’t be at all surprised to discover that athletes, when being recruited, are told that the honor code isn’t enforced. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/60 "2011-03-04T16:30:02Z")
I guess the point of the OP was that it’s a joke to think that 18 - 21 boys aren’t having sex. Of course they are. Does the honor code also forbid porn and masturbation? The real honor code is how well you can fool others into believing that you’re not. It’s fun n games until someone forgets the condom! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309.md?page=4)