# BYU player booted from team for having sex **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 3, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309 "2011-03-03T03:38:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/81 "2011-03-05T16:27:13Z")
> [@robardin](#): > > Wrong, because that’s the whole point of “honor”! If you don’t think it matters that he agreed to it beforehand, then what does ANY “honor code” agreement mean to you? Are all your words just words, and a statement from you that “I swear to…” or “I agree to…” means no more than “yeah yeah, blah blah blah, and try not to sweat it if I sort of kinda forget at some point and somebody points it out to you”? You’re misunderstanding me. I said it isn’t immune from criticism just because people heard about it before hand. I understand them enforcing it, and haven’t said anything about it. But just because they are up front about a stupid policy doesn’t mean I cannot criticize it as a stupid policy. I am sure Bob Jones University was up front about the whole no interracial dating malarkey, but it was still a stupid ass policy. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/82 "2011-03-05T17:34:13Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > I actually have a hard time taking that seriously —they list sexual offences earlier, and that includes solely sexual assault, prostitution, soliciting a prostitute, voyeurism, and non-consensual stuff. Were adultery a serious offence, there would be no need to list any of those other than sexual assault separately. I would be surprised to hear that the entry is much more than symbolic. People typically and consistently get kicked off of campus for getting caught having sex at ND. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/83 "2011-03-05T18:18:51Z")
> [@Erdosain](#): > > I, for one, would like to applaud this billion-dollar institution with the unquestioned support of millions of Mormons. It takes a lot of courage to brand a 20 year old with a scarlet A. Given that the move has generated as many negative reactions as positive ones (including some of those “unquestioning” Mormons), probably killed a potential national title team, and putting a serious damper on recruiting, yeah, I’d say it did take guts. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/84 "2011-03-05T18:55:02Z")
BYU was never going to win a national title, even if this didn’t happen. Now they just have an excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/85 "2011-03-05T19:46:25Z")
When I was in school a guy got kicked off the Chess Team for having sex. The E.R. was able to save the rook and bishop though, and with some boiling water and Lysol they were still usable. ---
**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/86 "2011-03-05T21:31:26Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > People typically and consistently get kicked off of campus for getting caught having sex at ND. Seriously? As in, expelled? That’s nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/87 "2011-03-05T21:40:34Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > Seriously? As in, expelled? > > That’s nuts. No, as in kicked off campus. They’re kicked out of university housing. It’s a giant pain in the ass, because halfway through a semester you can’t find an apartment. You also have to probably go through some community service hours as well. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/88 "2011-03-05T21:43:56Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > You are claiming that all honor codes are equivalent? Read the post he’s responding to. I’ll quote the key part: > [@](#): > > It’s the only respected university in America with their own secret police of busybodies monitoring your personal life. I’m pretty sure the military schools monitor your personal life. Thus that statement is false. ---
**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/89 "2011-03-05T21:47:22Z")
Actually, no, timeout. Could you please provide a citation? I couldn’t find one in my (admittedly brief) search. ETA: Ah, I see. I’m sure you realize that’s a completely different issue, right? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/90 "2011-03-05T21:47:22Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Read the post he’s responding to. I’ll quote the key part: > > I’m pretty sure the military schools monitor your personal life. Thus that statement is false. With secret police? And in any case, that’s not the point. He said that if you have a problem with one honor code you have to have a problem with them all. He also used Harvard, among others, as an example. As you know, Harvard is not a military school. I’m not sure what point you think you’re making. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/91 "2011-03-05T22:38:36Z")
The local media has tiptoed around the issue, but it’s the elephant in the room that no one has mentioned—The Mormon Church and many of it’s faithful (especially the older members) still holds some blatantly racist positions, and many of it’s members would be scandalized to find out that their blond, blue-eyed daughter was getting busy with a big buck nigger. Admittedly, they would also be pissed off that their daughter was sexually active with anyone of ANY race, but I fully believe that if Davies was a white student, this story would never have broken. (disclosure—I have a nephew attending BYU, though he is currently serving a mission to Fiji) ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/92 "2011-03-06T03:59:44Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > The local media has tiptoed around the issue, but it’s the elephant in the room that no one has mentioned—The Mormon Church and many of it’s faithful (especially the older members) still holds some blatantly racist positions, and many of it’s members would be scandalized to find out that their blond, blue-eyed daughter was getting busy with a big buck nigger. > > Admittedly, they would also be pissed off that their daughter was sexually active with anyone of ANY race, but I fully believe that if Davies was a white student, this story would never have broken. > > (disclosure—I have a nephew attending BYU, though he is currently serving a mission to Fiji) MPB, you’re good people. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/93 "2011-03-06T04:44:17Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > MPB, you’re good people. I refuse to sugar-coat things like that—I have heard more than one active, faithful Mormon use that exact language, and whether or not it’s admitted, there is a strong undercurrent of racism in the Mormon religion that is alive and well to this day. Of course, not all Mormons (or even a majority) subscribe to these outdated notions of the racial superiority of caucasians, but especially among the older members there is a real tendency to look down at minorities, in particular ones in inter-racial relationships, which were forbidden in LDS Temple marriages until just a couple of decades ago. Anyone who denies a strong element of racism in the teachings of both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, which still influence the church’s teachings to this day, is either willfully ignorant or just plain lying. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/94 "2011-03-06T16:50:57Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > When I was in school a guy got kicked off the Chess Team for having sex. The E.R. was able to save the rook and bishop though, and with some boiling water and Lysol they were still usable. You can’t fool me, **Sampiro**. This is patently false. No one on a college Chess Team was having sex. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/95 "2011-03-06T17:22:16Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > I refuse to sugar-coat things like that—I have heard more than one active, faithful Mormon use that exact language, and whether or not it’s admitted, there is a strong undercurrent of racism in the Mormon religion that is alive and well to this day. > > Of course, not all Mormons (or even a majority) subscribe to these outdated notions of the racial superiority of caucasians, but especially among the older members there is a real tendency to look down at minorities, in particular ones in inter-racial relationships, which were forbidden in LDS Temple marriages until just a couple of decades ago. > > Anyone who denies a strong element of racism in the teachings of both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, which still influence the church’s teachings to this day, is either willfully ignorant or just plain lying. Seconded. As with racial prejudice in a lot of cultures, age is a big factor: the LDS people I have known who are my age or younger have been sincerely inclusive of all races, in and out of the church. But I have indeed known some older Mormons who harbored ugly levels of prejudice, particularly when intermarriage was involved. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309/96 "2011-03-06T21:19:23Z")
> [@choie](#): > > You can’t fool me, **Sampiro**. This is patently false. > > No one on a college Chess Team was having sex. You completely missed the joke, huh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/byu-player-booted-from-team-for-having-sex/573309.md?page=4)