# C.K. Dexter Haven, what is "this"? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2006, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172 "2006-01-03T02:16:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/1 "2006-01-03T02:16:26Z")
In [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=352222) you said > [@](#): > > I find this extremely tiresome of you I’m not sure I entirely understand what “this” is. I do not feel I was baiting anyone. I didn’t expect a response from a mod to the thread, much less getting it closed. So, let us reason together … what was the problem with the thread? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/2 "2006-01-03T02:22:45Z")
I think his problem is that it was a post about bondage movies after you had gotten pitted by a lot of people for talking about bondage so much. ---
**Author:** ![Brainiac4](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brainiac4/32/3534_2.png) [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/3 "2006-01-03T02:26:02Z")
EC, you’re not a one-trick pony, but you do have one favorite trick you pull out all the time. I suspect that Dex is just tired of the trick. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/4 "2006-01-03T02:26:55Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > I think his problem is that it was a post about bondage movies after you had gotten pitted by a lot of people for talking about bondage so much. But that shouldn’t affect his ability to post about it. I think that this is a case of mistaken intent. Maybe you should e-mail Dex and see if you can get the thread re-opened. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/5 "2006-01-03T02:26:55Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > I think his problem is that it was a post about bondage movies after you had gotten pitted by a lot of people for talking about bondage so much. I’m sure CK will get around to explaining why he closed the thread, he’s not shy in that way. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/6 "2006-01-03T02:31:00Z")
I attempted to send you an email about it, **Evil Captor** , but it bounced back as an improper email address. You are certainly not so dense as not to understand what I said when I closed the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/7 "2006-01-03T02:31:51Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > But that shouldn’t affect his ability to post about it. I think that this is a case of mistaken intent. Maybe you should e-mail Dex and see if you can get the thread re-opened. How is it a case of mistaken intent? Evil Captor is, once again, talking about bondage. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/8 "2006-01-03T02:35:26Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > How is it a case of mistaken intent? Evil Captor is, once again, talking about bondage. Dex made a remark about baiting. I don’t think Captor started the thread just to tweak the nose of whoever had a problem with him and bondage. I don’t think that Captor should be prevented from opening threads because he was pitted for something. I’m hoping that this is an honest mistake that can be corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/9 "2006-01-03T02:39:50Z")
Then why’d he start the post with: “Warning: bondage content. If bondage content frightens you, angers your, or arouses strange feelings you’d just rather not deal with right now, thankyewverymuch, do not continue reading this thread.” ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/10 "2006-01-03T02:43:50Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Then why’d he start the post with: > > “Warning: bondage content. If bondage content frightens you, angers your, or arouses strange feelings you’d just rather not deal with right now, thankyewverymuch, do not continue reading this thread.” Well, that comment may have been a tweak and shouldn’t have been there, but I still don’t think the thread was baiting anything. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/11 "2006-01-03T02:46:00Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I attempted to send you an email about it, **Evil Captor** , but it bounced back as an improper email address. > > You are certainly not so dense as not to understand what I said when I closed the thread. OK, I’ve updated my account with a more current email address. I started this thread because I wasn’t sure if you were bothered by the bondage part or by the warning. Because of the recent pit thread about my bondage posts, I thought it best to put a warning up front about the bondage content. If that’s the part that bothers you, I don’t mind at all if it’s deleted. My intent in starting the thread was to discuss bondage scenes in mainstream film, if anyone was interested. I do not see how anyone could think otherwise, given the nature of the bulk of my post. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/12 "2006-01-03T02:47:27Z")
I agree with Dex. The thread was just another example of EC fwap-fwap-fwapping over his fetish for sticking bondage under people’s noses. It’s pretty clear that EC not only gets a kick out of bondage scenes, he gets a kick out of exhibitionistically inserting them in inappropriate places. He gets a chub off of surprising people with sexual-bondage imagery when they’re not expecting it. Personall, I think Dex is right for not letting EC indulge his weird little guerilla-porn fantasies in CS. That’s my “in the first place,” that CS is not here for EC’s private little wankfests. In the second place, what’s next? “List your favorite rape scenes, and why!” or whatever. EC, do your wanking in private. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/13 "2006-01-03T02:50:16Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > My intent in starting the thread was to discuss bondage scenes in mainstream film Dude, take it to a bondage site. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/14 "2006-01-03T02:51:12Z")
Aren’t there fetish boards you can post to to get your bondage jollies? Or wait, do you get your jollies by posting about bondage on non-bondage boards, and thereby shocking the “decent folk” that read that board? Well, all I say is wash your hands when you’re done. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/15 "2006-01-03T02:54:53Z")
So do we have a reason to suspect all this nastiness out of Evil Captor, or have some of us gained the ability to read minds? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/16 "2006-01-03T02:56:52Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > So do we have a reason to suspect all this nastiness out of Evil Captor, or have some of us gained the ability to read minds? Well, if the ball-gag fits… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/17 "2006-01-03T02:59:27Z")
“quasi-scientific seriousness”? That post smacks of you typing with one hand and rubbing your penis with the other. I’m reminded of the the Kellog character in the “Road to Wellville,” trying to rationalize his enema fetish by invoking the health, wellness, and science. Only instead of getting off on water in your butt, you get off on seeing women tied up. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/18 "2006-01-03T03:01:00Z")
> [@CK Dexter Haven](#): > > You are certainly not so dense as not to understand what I said when I closed the thread. Apparently, I’m that dense, so could you explain it to me? Was it the “if you don’t like the subject matter, don’t read the thread” disclaimer? Or is **EC** just forbidden from talking about bondage now? Is that specific to him, or are we talking new board policy, here? ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/19 "2006-01-03T03:05:29Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > So do we have a reason to suspect all this nastiness out of Evil Captor, or have some of us gained the ability to read minds? This is such a lame given in any such argument, I always wonder who will be shameless enough to trot it out. Let’s see, has been sharing the contents of his mind for 7,679 posts now. No, this doesn’t give anyone the unequivocal ability to “read his mind” (I can’t believe I’m actually wasting the pixels to address this), but it gives us all a certain familiarity that informs the kind of interpretations and judgments that we ALL make of each others’ communications on these boards. Speculation as to another person’s motivation is something we ALL do, all the time, usually without the vast amounts of personal data that EC has supplied to us here. Who doesn’t have a theory as to why Cruise and Holmes are engaged? or what Scooter Libby’s reasons were? Spare me. “You can’t read minds” is not an automatic get-out-of-jail-free card. It amounts to about the same thing as “reasonable doubt,” and might constitute a loophole for EC if this were a murder trial, but “prepoderance of the evidence” is adequate for me, and the preponderance of the evidence that EC has been sharing here–for 7,679 posts–is pretty clear. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2006, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172/20 "2006-01-03T03:07:19Z")
**lissener, turek** did you read the whole OP? Did it REALLY strike you as fwap-fwap-fwap material? **Metacom** apparently you DID read the OP, but I don’t think you’ve made your point. I write bondage erotica and sell it online. If I WANNA write fwap-fwap-fwap stuff, I can DO that. This smacks of obtuseness on your part, deliberate or otherwise. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven-what-is-this/338172.md?page=2)