# C K Dexter Haven **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2005, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187 "2005-10-27T19:12:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/21 "2005-10-27T21:02:28Z")
Here’s my two cents on this exchange: everybody’s wrong. Lissener, while a nice fellow overall, used to go too far on one subject. He no longer posts on that subject. Weirddave, while he intended to be humorous, was provoking somebody about a subject, knowing they won’t respond. Dex’s warning, while appropriate in intent, was unnecessarily emotional in content. Everbody else, while supposedly engaged in a debate, is getting involved in subjects that don’t concern them. Little Nemo, while he means well, is way too judgemental of others and should keep his opinions to himself. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/22 "2005-10-27T21:03:25Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > My guess is that as part of **lissner** ’s double-dog secret reinstatement rules he is not allowed to participate in any Verhoeven-related trainwrecks, and thus was unable to take it to the Pit, like any of the rest of us would have been able to do. Now wouldn’t that be weird. Kind of like _Alias Smith_ _and Jones_ in reverse. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/23 "2005-10-27T21:04:21Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > The post was removed from view, in part, because it was deliberately provocative and baiting to someone who is unable to respond in kind. Kicking a person when he’s down is… well, jerkish. I’m confused about the last sentence here. I don’t know **lissener** from Adam but “kicking (him) when he’s down”? How is he “down”? I understand he was booted from the board for a bit because of his Verhoeven affinity… so your drunk driving analogy would mean that now that he’s “down”, he’s been hanging out at the bar, drinking some beers, and dangling his car keys around his finger. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/24 "2005-10-27T21:05:33Z")
Without having seen the actual post, **Dave’s** comment seems innocent enough to me. It’s neither insulting nor rude, IMO. I’d also say that his comparison to the fork lift driver is much more on the mark than a person who dies. I mean, we’re talking about being banned from a message board. It’s hardly life and death. Finally, we should be able to see the offending post. It’s not the same thing as a troll or spammer. When experienced posters break rules I like to see it so I know what’s allowed and what isn’t. We still don’t know exactly what **Dave** said, so there’s no way of knowing how offensive it was. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/25 "2005-10-27T21:09:52Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > And I also don’t understand your other comments,either. Are you suggesting that you should review each post to decide whether a Moderator should delete it or not? You want me to send you the dozens of posts from spammers and trolls and advertisers and so forth, to get your approval before I delete them? That’s not what he was asking. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Binarydrone** _ > Can I send you folks a list of posts that make me angry and have you wish them into the cornfield as well? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/26 "2005-10-27T21:10:01Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > A post is deleted for serious reasons. Despite **Weirddave** ’s trying to make light of it now, it was neither light-hearted nor a “joke.” I dunno about your forklift, **Dave** , someone has a relative killed by a drunk driver, and you make a joke of it? Yea, I think getting banned from the SDMB is equivalent to having a relative killed by a drunk driver. Good analogy. Look, you can say that my post did not successfully convey a lighthearted tone, and was therefore inappropriate for the Cafe, which is your job as a moderator to do. I have no problem at all with that. However unsuccessfully you think I was at conveying it, I can tell you that there was no malice aforethought towards lissener. I personally don’t care one way or another weather he is banned or not, in fact, he and I have had some very cordial off the board discussions about these type of issues VIA email. The fact is that he got banned for getting worked up over posts about a stupid movie(_any_ movie is stupid if you’re gonna get that worked up about it). That was a dumb thing to get banned for. Now that he’s back, I ribbed him about it, the way I would rib anyone in similar circumstances. You have made your ruling and I won’t do so in the future, but honestly, you’re reading a lot more into this than there was when I made a throwaway post. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/27 "2005-10-27T21:16:14Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Here’s my two cents on this exchange: everybody’s wrong. > > Lissener, while a nice fellow overall, used to go too far on one subject. He no longer posts on that subject. [You](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6721146&postcount=53)[are](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6723050&postcount=78) [quite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6723050&postcount=79) [mistaken](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6723050&postcount=105), [and](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6723050&postcount=122) that is only part of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/28 "2005-10-27T21:18:36Z")
**C K Dexter Haven** , I thought that I was being pretty clear in the OP, but I will be glad to further expand on my thoughts here. It may be that I am not using the term “revisionist” 100% correctly, but in essence what I am getting at is that if a poster (like me) reads the referenced thread it is clear that something was there, and now it is not. Continuity has been compromised. Personally, I think that this is a horrible idea and sets a pretty bad president. Should we call this censorship? Douchbaggery? Thread Buggery? What would you call it? Consider just one scenario: The way that you (over)reacted in the post that we _can_ see, I am of the impression that **Weirddave** is on serious thin ice, and that official warning may well be his last. I mean, you did personally insult him outside of the pit, and used some pretty harsh language in general. In short, it looks as if you had a mini-meltdown. Well and good. Let us further suppose that this impression is correct and a banning results in the near future. So, what are you going to link to in the **ATMB** thread announcing it? Which brings me to one of my other points. Absent any content related to illegal activities, deleting (or moving it to the Jack-secret mod area) that post suggests to me that you did so to spare **lissner** from having to read it. That being the case, I am forced to conclude that this is a paternalistic and condescending attitude. Also, I am not saying that I want you to send me all of the Spam that you get. I am saying that if we are going to do this I wonder if I can just send you a list of posts that piss me off so that you can delete them as well and thus protect me from myself. Having said all of that, I don’t really expect any change to come of this. I know that the default setting is that a Moderator admitting an error causes God to kill a kitten or turn all rainbows black or something, but I didn’t want to let it go without comment because it really rubs me the wrong way and I think sets a terrible president. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/29 "2005-10-27T21:19:26Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > If the post in question and references to it have been deleted, then maybe your warning can be edited so that it doesn’t look like a meltdown to those of us who don’t know the events leading up to it? Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/30 "2005-10-27T21:22:03Z")
[QUOTE=Binarydrone…I think sets a terrible president.[/QUOTE] Can we leave Bush out of this one pit thread, please? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/31 "2005-10-27T21:26:21Z")
Is \*\*lissener \*\*forbiden to comment on those movies? If so, how is anyone else supposed to know that? ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/32 "2005-10-27T21:27:48Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I dunno about your forklift, **Dave** , someone has a relative killed by a drunk driver, and you make a joke of it? Let me just jump on the pile-on here and say grow some fucking perspective. Maybe you’d see better if you’re head weren’t so far up your corn-chute. You were also wrong in the thread which sparked this. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/33 "2005-10-27T21:29:29Z")
“Your head!” “\*\*Your \*\* head!” Geez! Can I attach a “quick editing” rant rider to this thread, **Binarydrone**? ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/34 "2005-10-27T21:30:53Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Seconded. Totally disagree. The last thing I want to see is more of that random editing shit. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/35 "2005-10-27T21:32:09Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > Can we leave Bush out of this one pit thread, please? Yeah, yeah. The curse of spell check. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/36 "2005-10-27T21:33:52Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I agree, although the rule isn’t new, the situation is. We’ve never had a banned member returning before, so far as I recall. Your memory doesn’t extend to Collounsbury? Or Mike Masterson/Silo? And I’m certain there are a couple others who were banned and later permitted to return, the specifics of which escape me at the moment. > [@binarydrone](#): > > The thing is this: I like lissner. Always have. This explains much. Your judgement is lacking. Lissener, for a long period of time, was one of the largest, most prejudicial assholes ever to post here. > [@Little Nemo](#): > > Lissener, while a nice fellow overall . . . You, too. Lissener’s a militant obnoxious dick. And exactly like every single other banned poster the board admins have permitted to return, will end up permanently banned again. ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/37 "2005-10-27T21:35:49Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > If the post in question and references to it have been deleted, then maybe your warning can be edited so that it doesn’t look like a meltdown to those of us who don’t know the events leading up to it? > > Just a humble suggestion. That’s a great idea. That way, whenever a mod acts like a complete asshole, s/he can go back, edit the post, and make everything rainbows and kittens again. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/38 "2005-10-27T21:37:33Z")
> [@Uvula Donor](#): > > That’s a great idea. That way, whenever a mod acts like a complete asshole, s/he can go back, edit the post, and make everything rainbows and kittens again. Or maybe the mod will think twice about being a complete asshole to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/39 "2005-10-27T21:39:31Z")
Did **lissener** complain at all? ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/40 "2005-10-27T21:40:16Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > Or maybe the mod will think twice about being a complete asshole to begin with. Hasn’t happened so far. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187.md?page=3)