# C K Dexter Haven **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2005, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187 "2005-10-27T19:12:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/101 "2005-10-29T04:33:35Z")
Ech, maybe I’ve had a bit of an identity crisis\* with the mod/admin staff here. I know that they have an under-appreciated job and that they’re doing the best that they can; however, they are all too human. I think **Dex** really stepped in it here, but I’ll never know, will I? \*A comic book miniseries in which drives home the point that superheroes make human mistakes and have very human feelings (anger, vengance, etc.). Also, my third comic book reference in as many posts here tonight. I think that means that its’ bedtime. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Silver\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/102 "2005-10-29T04:41:36Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > Trust me on this Okay, all joking and references to television characters who haven’t been relevant since the 80s aside, why should we? I really don’t understand first the decision to remove the post, and now your refusal to put it back. Is it so disgusting, so horribly offensive, that women will faint and men will run in horror? Will our delicate sensibilities be forever compromised? Will we all be resigned to a dark corner, whimpering and sucking our thumbs, because our sensitive minds couldn’t handle the sheer audacity of the thing? > [@C K](#): > > I do not see any point in restoring the offensive post At least if it’s as bad as you say it is, you can point and laugh when you prove everybody wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/103 "2005-10-29T13:06:06Z")
> [@Silver Fire](#): > > I really don’t understand first the decision to remove the post, and now your refusal to put it back. Is it so disgusting, so horribly offensive, that women will faint and men will run in horror? Will our delicate sensibilities be forever compromised? Will we all be resigned to a dark corner, whimpering and sucking our thumbs, because our sensitive minds couldn’t handle the sheer audacity of the thing? Seriously, I have trouble understanding the implication that the removed post was worse than the ones on the first page (especially from **umlaut** mocking another poster’s creative career and pouring contempt on him so thoroughly. Maybe **Dex** can’t see how I read the removed post as good-natured ribbing, but I can’t see how he read it as worse than the clearly nasty stuff that wasn’t removed. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/104 "2005-10-29T14:25:41Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Admit it. You secretly think Showgirls was pretty good, and that’s the real reason you went crazy, isn’t? > > The fact of the matter is the whole Lissener thing is merely a smokescreen and a ruse to cover up your clandestine Veerhoven fandom.[/Perry Mason Mode] Man, you guys are _brutal._ ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/106 "2005-10-29T20:11:36Z")
> [@Umlaut du Fromage](#): > > Seriously, you oversensitive pussy, thanks for the junior modding over there. Sorry my comment chafed your asscheeks. Stop. You’re making me hot. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/107 "2005-10-29T20:26:00Z")
> [@Umlaut du Fromage](#): > > Seriously, you oversensitive pussy, thanks for the junior modding over there. Sorry my comment chafed your asscheeks. Apology accepted. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/108 "2005-10-31T00:43:43Z")
So, is it ok to call someone a jackass outside the pit? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/109 "2005-10-31T01:52:16Z")
> [@Lissa](#): > > So, is it ok to call someone a jackass outside the pit? Can you tell the difference between a moderator/administrator acting in their official capacity and everything else? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/110 "2005-10-31T02:15:06Z")
are you saying the forum rules don’t apply to Moderators and Administrators? ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/111 "2005-10-31T02:14:54Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Can you tell the difference between a moderator/administrator acting in their official capacity and everything else? Do as I say, not as I do? That’s fucked up. It’s even worse to see moderators defending that sack of shit. No matter what Weirddave said in that thread, that does not excuse \*\*CKDH’\*\*s response. Official or not. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/112 "2005-10-31T02:24:23Z")
We’re allowed to call people trolls, too. And socks. _When acting in our official capacity!_ I would suspect you can find more examples of that sort of thing if you look. I can’t be bothered. I’ve been trying to stay out of this thread, but I saw that post too, and all due respect to those who see it differently, there was _nothing_ light-hearted or pushing fun about it. And now I’m going to return to my former stance, and stay out of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/113 "2005-10-31T02:26:27Z")
:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/114 "2005-10-31T02:31:26Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Can you tell the difference between a moderator/administrator acting in their official capacity and everything else? Just out of curiousity, do the Moderators pay dues as members? If they do, then I would think it would be questionable as to whether they should be insulting members when not in official capacity. It seems to me that they compromise their athority. For example, if I had a record of having many heated disputes with a particular moderator when he/she was not acting in his/her official capacity and then was later warned or disciplined by that moderator, that moderator’s decision could be called into question by their record of personal disputes with me. If they do not pay dues, then I think it’s improper that moderator’s engage in personal insults with members. It’s simply not appropriate to insult your customers It should be intrinsically obvious that the moderator hat doesn’t simply come off, and if a moderator wishes to be effective he really can’t indulge himself as **Ike** just has without compromising that ability. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/115 "2005-10-31T02:36:34Z")
and let me add a few points. generally, I am supportive of board actions. generally, I find \*\* Weirddave\*\* to be a jerk. So, if I’m finding the official response in this matter to be inappropriate (insults in wrong forum), you can be assured that it’s not 'cause I"m one of the ‘usual suspects’ or that I have a particular animosity towards the object. y’all fucked this one up. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/116 "2005-10-31T03:01:03Z")
I lied. I’m back. > [@Scylla](#): > > Just out of curiousity, do the Moderators pay dues as members? I don’t know. I renewed in April, and April hasn’t come again. > [@](#): > > It should be intrinsically obvious that the moderator hat doesn’t simply come off, and if a moderator wishes to be effective he really can’t indulge himself as **Ike** just has without compromising that ability. So far, for me, it has very easily gone on and come off. There are certainly members I don’t like, and I haven’t taken any grudges out on them, but that doesn’t mean I won’t slam them as a poster when I feel the need. Your way would mean that mods/admins could not fully participate in the board. As we are volunteers, I, at least, would not have taken this position if it meant I couldn’t do my regular reading and posting. To **wring** : I have posted nothing official in this thread. My official pronouncements have “Moderator Notes:” in the title. One thing I’ve noticed in my brief time as a mod, is that the “Moderator” under my name does draw more attention to even my regular posts. I’m not sure what can be done about that except to adopt **Scylla** ’s solution, and as I said, I think that’s a bad solution. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/117 "2005-10-31T03:17:28Z")
or, of course, forum rules could apply to all. just a thought. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/118 "2005-10-31T03:20:18Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I lied. I’m back. > So far, for me, it has very easily gone on and come off. There are certainly members I don’t like, and I haven’t taken any grudges out on them, but that doesn’t mean I won’t slam them as a poster when I feel the need. Your way would mean that mods/admins could not fully participate in the board. Their is a difference between slamming and personal attacks. A person who makes a bad or stupid argument can be dealt with appropriately. Making gratuitous personal insults is an indulgence that compromises a moderator’s abilities. > [@](#): > > One thing I’ve noticed in my brief time as a mod, is that the “Moderator” under my name does draw more attention to even my regular posts. I’m not sure what can be done about that except to adopt **Scylla** ’s solution, and as I said, I think that’s a bad solution. I personally think it is enough to be cognizant of that fact and refrain from gratuitous personal insults. A wise moderator might conclude that such detract from his/her ability to do a good job. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/119 "2005-10-31T03:21:19Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I’ve been trying to stay out of this thread, but I saw that post too, and all due respect to those who see it differently, there was _nothing_ light-hearted or pushing fun about it. Even if I grant you this–which is where we do see it differently–do you seriously see it as more vicious than the stuff on the first page of that very thread? If anything were going to be removed, I’d think it’d be the first-page insults. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/120 "2005-10-31T05:53:08Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Just out of curiousity, do the Moderators pay dues as members? No. In addition to our free coffee mug, we pay no dues. It’s meant being able to feed my kids this last year. ---
**Author:** ![JustAnotherGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@JustAnotherGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustAnotherGeek)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2005, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187/121 "2005-10-31T06:49:51Z")
> [@LHOD](#): > > to be removed, I’d think it’d be the first-page insults I wonder if that’s what got **CKDH’s** finger on the trigger and the fact that he didn’t walk in until post # 52 made him throw the switch to full-auto. In other words, he _had_ given out a general warning to folks about insults, but it came fairly late in the conversation (so he would have been eager to make sure there were no more attacks - he even mentions that later). It would also make sense for **CKDH** to not know that the two had a “friendly-jousting” off-SDMB relation. Taken in that context, his warning to **Weirddave** makes sense, even if his tone, rhetoric, and actions seem excessive. However, according to board rules, the language **CKDH** used is to be reserved for the Pit. I simply don’t see how the invectives and personal insult (jackass; the troll would fall under clarifying what rule was being broken) were necessary to get the point accross in the warning. Lastly, the impression that I’m getting from the removal of only _that_ post (and without having seen it) is that it’s ok to personally insult someone’s chosen field of work (ala posts 8 & 26), but whatever you do, for the love of Og, don’t pick on someone’s _hobby_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/c-k-dexter-haven/328187.md?page=7)