# CA/AZ/FL Gay Marriage Balloting Reaction Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 4, 2008, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073 "2008-11-04T16:40:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/81 "2008-11-05T05:45:58Z")
[Here](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1) are the latest exit polls on CA-8. Tight, but very promising (though if you want to know the one thing tonight that African-Americans and Republicans have in common, it is dispiritedly this). ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/82 "2008-11-05T05:54:34Z")
☹ [I take it back](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=395315) ☹ ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/83 "2008-11-05T06:04:48Z")
53/47 now for Yes with 24% in. Apparently SF and LA are not in yet so it will get tighter. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/84 "2008-11-05T06:07:16Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > [Here](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1) are the latest exit polls on CA-8. Tight, but very promising (though if you want to know the one thing tonight that African-Americans and Republicans have in common, it is dispiritedly this). Not all of us have that in common with Republicans. I know you already knew that and were generalizing, but it just needed to be said. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/85 "2008-11-05T06:08:42Z")
Looks like Prop 2 passed easily in Florida. Just when I was about to be proud of you prejudiced mofos. Oh well, hopefully it won’t last too long. ---
**Author:** ![Camus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ba8739/32.png) [@Camus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Camus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/86 "2008-11-05T06:13:09Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > ☹ [I take it back](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=395315) ☹ The good news (but depressing in the long term) is that there is nothing stopping a 2010 proposition on the ballot to repeal Prop 102, so long as 15% of registered voters sign a petition. Since fewer voters vote in off-presidential year elections, it would be a lot easier to get another 2006-like result. But that also means that if such a repeal passed, then in 2012, the exact same proposition could be on the ballot again. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/87 "2008-11-05T06:17:19Z")
> [@Anduinel](#): > > And it looks like Arkansas doesn’t want gays adopting, either. What kind of sick sacks of shit would rather have kids growing up in orphanages than have their parents be gay?:mad: ---
**Author:** ![Anduinel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Anduinel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anduinel)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/88 "2008-11-05T06:21:34Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > What kind of sick sacks of shit would rather have kids growing up in orphanages than have their parents be gay?:mad: I’d imagine those of the same mindset who want to make abortions illegal, but won’t be stepping up to take responsibility for the care and feeding of those unwanted kids themselves. ---
**Author:** ![UncaStuart](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncastuart/32/404_2.png) [@UncaStuart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaStuart)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/89 "2008-11-05T06:26:24Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > I’m crying tears of joy over Obama, but I feel like I’m going to puke over Prop 8. Please, please, please CA, don’t let it pass! This is _exactly_ how I feel. ---
**Author:** ![spoike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/da6949/32.png) [@spoike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spoike)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/90 "2008-11-05T06:26:46Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > …The thing is, regardless of whether it passes or fails, it’ll be on the ballot again in two years, won’t it? It’s not like the issue is going away, so we’ll just see an endless re-fighting of this battle in the years to come. Now, the way public sentiment is trending, it’s likely that once the people vote for allowing SSM, they’ll continue to vote that way. So, even if 8 passes this year, it’s likely to be overturned in 2 years, or 4, or 6. I know that’s small comfort to the people who would be prohibited from being married in the intervening years, but at least it’s not forever. As I’m watching the results come in, this is the hope I’m clinging to. If it passes tonight, maybe it won’t be forever. > [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > …It seems that we ought to amend the CA Constitution to require a 60% vote to amend the Constitution. Anyone think we could get an initiative like that passed? This is the one thing that absolutely blows my mind. The CA Constitution can be changed via a simple majority? I’ve served on Parent Councils that had stricter requirements than that! I don’t know how to go about making your 60% amendment a reality, but, in my mind, it’s absolutely something that needs to happen. ---
**Author:** ![PopeJewish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@PopeJewish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PopeJewish)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/91 "2008-11-05T06:37:53Z")
> [@Anduinel](#): > > I’d imagine those of the same mindset who want to make abortions illegal, but won’t be stepping up to take responsibility for the care and feeding of those unwanted kids themselves. agreed. There are people who feel that being gay causes your children and anyone you come in contact with to be gay, like it’s a disease. There are people that think homosexuals are so morally replete as to not be worthy of raising children. Yet most of these people don’t lift a damn finger to help anyone themselves. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/92 "2008-11-05T06:41:40Z")
Whatever happens in California, and whatever has happened in the other states, some exit poll data from [CNN.com](http://CNN.com): [California Proposition 8](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1): 18-24 (11%) 34% Yes, 66% No 25-29 (9%) 40% Yes, 60% No 30-39 (17%) 50% Yes, 50% No 40-49 (22%) 58% Yes, 42% No 50-64 (25%) 50% Yes, 50% No 65 or Over (16%) 59% Yes, 41% No [Arizona Proposition 102](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#AZI01p1): 18-24 (10%) 49% Yes, 51% No 25-29 (7%) N/A N/A 30-39 (19%) 55% Yes, 45% No 40-49 (19%) 56% Yes, 44% No 50-64 (27%) 57% Yes, 43% No 65 or Over (19%) 63% Yes, 37% No [Florida Amendment 2](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#FLI01p1): 18-24 (8%) 52% Yes, 48% No 25-29 (6%) 54% Yes, 46% No 30-39 (15%) 63% Yes, 37% No 40-49 (20%) 66% Yes, 34% No 50-64 (27%) 61% Yes, 39% No 65 or Over (23%) 66% Yes, 34% No I do not believe time is on the side of the homophobes. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/93 "2008-11-05T06:43:46Z")
And [Arkansas Initiative 1](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#ARI01p1) (the ban on gay adoptions) shows the same demographic trend. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/94 "2008-11-05T07:43:44Z")
Yeah, but what about race? It seems like African-Americans and Latinos are going to break heavily in favor of 8, and I don’t see _those_ demographics changing any time soon. I think tonight I’m going to comfort myself with the thought that perhaps President Obama and the Democratic majority will at least make civil unions legal on the federal level so that the LDS Church is smacked down hard. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/95 "2008-11-05T07:49:25Z")
The fucker hasn’t budged in forever, or just whenever I happen to check… > [@cbs5.com](#): > > Proposition 8-Same-Sex Marriage Ban > Total Reporting:47% > Name Votes Pct. > Yes 2,968,507 53% > No 2,684,533 47% > LAST UPDATE: Nov-04-2008, 11:40 PM Pacific Standard Time ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/96 "2008-11-05T07:53:37Z")
Don’t loose hope for CA, Alameda is only reporting 34% of precincts and there are no results from San Francisco. Those two could easily tip the scale in the favor of justice. More than half the state hasn’t reported yet and the ones that have are small rural ones. Chins up, I predict it will go down in flames. ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/97 "2008-11-05T07:56:48Z")
I hope so!!! ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/98 "2008-11-05T08:08:10Z")
If it passes, do me and my spouse get our fucking $150 marriage license/ceremony/certificate/licensing fee back?:mad::mad::mad: I’ll believe in their sanctimonious marriages when divorce is 100% illegal, no exceptions, ever. And if it was, I’d still marry her. Apparently, we want humane treatment for chickens here in CA but for teh gays, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/99 "2008-11-05T08:15:52Z")
> [@Glory](#): > > I hope so!!! Also not even close to done reporting: Sonoma Napa Yolo Humbolt Contra Costa Santa Clara Montarey Santa Barbara Santa Cruz Those plus San Francisco and Alameda make up more than half the population of the state and “No on Prop 8” is leading by significant margins in ALL OF THEM. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2008, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073/100 "2008-11-05T08:21:14Z")
The thing to keep in mind is that, even if 8 passes, it’s going to be nothing more than a temporary blip in gay marriage for California. The only reason its doing so well right now is, ironically, because Obama has been so successful in getting so many people out to vote. If we lose tonight, we’ll be back in 2010, and without the pressure of a national election, and with two more years to shift the demographics, there’s no way for the anti-marriage faction to carry the day again. Small comfort for folks like **jellyblue** who are going to see their marriages vanish during the interregnum, but you will get it back. Whatever happens tonight, there’s simply no way we can lose this in the long run. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-az-fl-gay-marriage-balloting-reaction-thread/471073.md?page=6)