# CA gun show draws 10,000 people ‘getting ready for the next revolution’ **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2013, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142 "2013-01-14T05:58:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![JuliaSqueezer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@JuliaSqueezer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JuliaSqueezer)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/41 "2013-01-14T16:30:34Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Gun fetishists are weird little paranoids who engage in weird little paranoid fantasies. There are responsible gun owners out there and I wish they would step up and be part of the discussion, instead we get these little men who are desperate for some significance in their lives so they pursue their weird little paranoid fantasies. Don’t forget scared! These little weird paranoids are, above all, frightened. They hold a big, badass gun to their chests, in total fear of the boogeyman. I cannot imagine living my life in such a fearful state. They are separate and apart from the gun owners who use their firearms for hunting, target shooting and (safely stowed/locked) home defense. We need the ones in that second category to be more vocal than the weird little gun fetishists. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/42 "2013-01-14T16:36:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > My great great grandchildren will not be ashamed of me, unlike the gun nuts. Well, given the pernicious influence of genetics, complicated by additional generations of inbreeding, I suspect that the posterity of our present gun-strokers will be no better at feeling shame than their forebears. The real problem here is that gun stroking serves such a powerful need, as madmonk28 alludes to. I suspect we’re dealing with adults who as adolescents generally lacked the capacity to distinguish themselves through any meaningful accomplishments and felt impotent in influencing other people in any particular way. Immersing themselves in gun culture is an easy way to develop some kind of identity. It allows for a persecution complex that explains peer rejection in a more palatable fashion than their previous personality failings did. They now can parade about displaying their guns and getting reactions from other people instead of being invisible. They can imagine themselves as patriots and superheroes. They can become experts in a terminology and lexicon, mocking others who are not well-versed in it. Imagine how threatened you would feel at the prospect of having all that taken away. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/43 "2013-01-14T16:37:12Z")
There’s the problem. We know there are far more gun owners who are more or less sane, much like any of us. We also know there are people for whom the epithet “gun nut” applies. But what is the proportion? The NRA appears eager to keep them unified in solidarity against the alleged “gun grabbers”. Well, OK, how many people who advocate for stricter control and regulation actually want a nation-wide confiscation program? Rather few, I would guess. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/44 "2013-01-14T16:39:05Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Some fucking nutter killing 20 children is the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry. > > Ka-ching! One might even be tempted to suspect **Adam Lanza** of being in the gun dealers’ pay, had he not killed himself before he could have cashed any checks. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/45 "2013-01-14T16:40:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > These people remind me of the Weathermen . . . Apart from being much, much more numerous. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/46 "2013-01-14T16:45:51Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > Yeah, these guys talk a tough game. I’d like to see how ‘tough’ they actually would be if uncle Sam came knocking on their door wanting their guns. (Not like that’s actually going to happen.) > > I’m pretty sure they’ll capitulate rather quickly. If you had predator drones, would your really care if soemone held onto their AR-15 even if they could shoot 100 rounds without changing their magazine? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/47 "2013-01-14T16:47:25Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > But people just need to realize that keeping an arsenal of weapons around ready to shoot your fellow Americans Clearly you have never seen _Red Dawn_. We have to be ready. Wolverines! > [@fumster](#): > > Thanks for proving my point. You haven’t made one. > [@Eonwe](#): > > As others have already said, the mere fact that a particular make/brand of gun was used in a horrible crime does not in any way indicate that those who purchase the same weapon somehow condone said crime. _Of course_ they don’t condone the crime…but they _are_ sick fucks! 😛 > [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’ll bet some people reacted to the election of Lincoln by buying more slaves. Sure, slavery was legal, there were boatloads (no pun intended) of slaves, slavery was in the Constitution, slavery was in the Bible. They had the law on their side. They had a controversial Supreme Court decision reaffirming that slaves had no rights. Yet in one decade, slavery was abolished because it was the right thing to do. Today, we look with contempt at the slave owners. > > Someday, we’ll ban assault weapons, high capacity magazines, and other dangerous weapons that civilians have no business owning. Yes, there are boatloads of them out there. Yes, there was a controversial Supreme Court decision that went their way. Yet they will be banned because it is the right thing to do. Two hundred years from now, our descendents will look back at the gun owners of today the same way we look back at slave owners. The NRA will have as much relevance as the CSA does today. > > So there are some fucking whackadoodles that love their big bad ass guns, and being the paranoid little twits that they are, go on a buying spree whenever a mass murder happens. They’re just proving the case against them. This is a battle that can’t be won today, but will be won someday. So, owning a human being is the same as owning an inanimate object? Nice reach there. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/48 "2013-01-14T17:03:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > My great great grandchildren will not be ashamed of me, unlike the gun nuts. Your great great grandchildren will be so ashamed of how retarded you are they’ll most likely go and shoot up a couple o fhundred kindergardeners. Or they’ll just take after you and felch a couple of goats a day. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/49 "2013-01-14T17:03:40Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Yet in one decade, slavery was abolished because it was the right thing to do. Today, we look with contempt at the slave owners. > … > So there are some fucking whackadoodles that love their big bad ass guns, and being the paranoid little twits that they are, go on a buying spree whenever a mass murder happens. They’re just proving the case against them. This is a battle that can’t be won today, but will be won someday. You guys are fantastic. Complaining in the very same few posts about the lack of reasonable gun owners, and then saying that mere ownership of a gun is the moral equivelant to being a slavemaster. Your grandpa that’s kept a shotgun in his attic for 40 years - he might as well be whipping a slave right now, right? Your cousin who likes to go out a few times a month and shoot competitive matches - he might as well be raping some slaves. It’s funny how you accuse gun owners of being obsessive and unbalanced, and yet you believe that the mere possession of one sort of physical object - one that the vast, vast majority of people who posess it never hurt anyone with, is morally equivelant to one of the most heinous acts you can possibly commit is so over the top that one has to wonder about your sanity. > [@madmonk28](#): > > Gun fetishists are weird little paranoids who engage in weird little paranoid fantasies. There are responsible gun owners out there and I wish they would step up and be part of the discussion, instead we get these little men who are desperate for some significance in their lives so they pursue their weird little paranoid fantasies. There are plenty of responsible gun advocates right here on this board. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge them as such only shows your bias. Your definition of responsible is probably something near a person who’s willing to “compromise” such that maybe he could keep black powder rifle locked up in storage at an official gun club where after seeking written permission with 6 weeks advanced notice he may be allowed supervised access to it for 2 hours. See, that would be reasonable, anyone wanting more than that is a paranoid nut. > [@Sitnam](#): > > Some fucking nutter killing 20 children is the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry. > > Ka-ching! That’s quite ridiculous, since no one is buying guns because some kids were killed. People are buying guns in response to proposed legislation that would prevent them from doing that in the future. There would be no surge in gun sales if the threat of dimiished access wasn’t real. > [@Sitnam](#): > > I think Marlboro needs to get in on this, suffocate 20+ children in a tobacco factory fire, then the baboons will scream “Obama’s gonna take your cigarette’s away!”. > > Just the break they need to drum up sales. You make it sound as if it’s paranoid, as if there’s no basis to their concerns. But you undoubtedly advocate, and there’s serious discussion about, doing exactly that. Taking the guns in question away, or at least preventing their future sale, right? You’re proposing banning these guns, and then when people get concerned the guns are going to get banned, you’re dismissing them as paranoid. I can’t tell if it’s dishonest or just really stupid. > [@JuliaSqueezer](#): > > Don’t forget scared! These little weird paranoids are, above all, frightened. They hold a big, badass gun to their chests, in total fear of the boogeyman. I cannot imagine living my life in such a fearful state. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Well, given the pernicious influence of genetics, complicated by additional generations of inbreeding, I suspect that the posterity of our present gun-strokers will be no better at feeling shame than their forebears. > > The real problem here is that gun stroking serves such a powerful need, as madmonk28 alludes to. I suspect we’re dealing with adults who as adolescents generally lacked the capacity to distinguish themselves through any meaningful accomplishments and felt impotent in influencing other people in any particular way. Immersing themselves in gun culture is an easy way to develop some kind of identity. It allows for a persecution complex that explains peer rejection in a more palatable fashion than their previous personality failings did. They now can parade about displaying their guns and getting reactions from other people instead of being invisible. They can imagine themselves as patriots and superheroes. They can become experts in a terminology and lexicon, mocking others who are not well-versed in it. > > Imagine how threatened you would feel at the prospect of having all that taken away. The dime store psychology applied to “gun nuts” always cracks me up. Undoubtedly you would classify me as being part of “gun culture” or a gun nut, and yeah I’ve met quite a few people with a similar interest in the hobby. Almost invariably, the “gun nut” type tends to be generally more self reliant and less dependent than average. “Paranoid” is sort of a complex subject. They’re generally not fearful. You have this image that we’re all just cowering at all times because the big bad world is out to get us, but quite the opposite. We’ve just chosen to be the people who are ultimately responsible for our safety and that of our families. Most of us don’t think about it much - you probably imagine we clutch our guns every day to compensate for our small penises, but unless you’re actually going out to engage in some recreational or practice shooting, you’re not thinking about it. Gun owners are as paranoid about their safety as people who own fire extinguishers are about fire. Your statements are as ridiculous to me as saying “those paranoid nuts, I bet they sit around their house all day just clutching their fire extinguisher paranoid that a fire is going to break out at any second” If I may engage in my own dime store psychology, here’s what I think. As a whole, men who advocate gun control and especially those who mock gun owners are insecure. They are almost invariably more dependent, and more feminine than the average men. They’ve decided that they aren’t comfortable taking ultimate responsibility of their safety and that of their families - that they’re going to rely on other (real) men to handle that, like the police. So when they see someone who actually is independent, who’s ultimately taking that responsibility, it reflects their own lack of it. So you turn your insecurity into an imagined insecurity on the part of those others. It’s not that you’re ultimately not taking responsibility, it’s that they’re all paranoid evil crazies. I’m not saying this applies to every single gun rights and gun control advocate, but it’s a general pattern I’ve seen in over a decade of observing these things. I’ve met dozens or more “gun nuts” and gun control advocates, and you can generalize them pretty well. There are very few men who are gun control advocates who are, well, self reliant manly men. To them, gun ownership to some degree represents the rugged individualism that they’ve chosen to give up, and it bothers them. > [@elucidator](#): > > There’s the problem. We know there are far more gun owners who are more or less sane, much like any of us. We also know there are people for whom the epithet “gun nut” applies. But what is the proportion? The NRA appears eager to keep them unified in solidarity against the alleged “gun grabbers”. Well, OK, how many people who advocate for stricter control and regulation actually want a nation-wide confiscation program? Rather few, I would guess. If there are people who think that owning a gun is morally equivelant to enslaving another human being, what sort of reasonable stopping do you compromise on? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/50 "2013-01-14T17:06:11Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Your great great grandchildren will be so ashamed of how retarded you are they’ll most likely go and shoot up a couple o fhundred kindergardeners. Or they’ll just take after you and felch a couple of goats a day. Just for historical perspective, I kinda wished people could read the message board posts of their great great grandparents. That’d be an eye opener. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/51 "2013-01-14T17:08:11Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > If I may engage in my own dime store psychology, here’s what I think. As a whole, men who advocate gun control and especially those who mock gun owners are insecure. They are almost invariably more dependent, and more feminine than the average men. They’ve decided that they aren’t comfortable taking ultimate responsibility of their safety and that of their families - that they’re going to rely on other (real) men to handle that, like the police. So when they see someone who actually is independent, who’s ultimately taking that responsibility, it reflects their own lack of it. So you turn your insecurity into an imagined insecurity on the part of those others. It’s not that you’re ultimately not taking responsibility, it’s that they’re all paranoid evil crazies. Please tell me you were going for parody with this. Please. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/52 "2013-01-14T17:12:45Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Please tell me you were going for parody with this. Please. So to be clear, the assertion that owning a gun is as bad as enslaving another human being, and that gun owners are all incredibly paranoid people who sit around their house all day and desperately clutch their guns to their chests is reasonable enough to you to not object to, but the idea that male gun control advocates are less likely to be the rugged individualist type is so over the top that it can only be parody? You don’t think you might be just a bit biased here? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/53 "2013-01-14T17:13:06Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > …If there are people who think that owning a gun is morally equivelant to enslaving another human being, what sort of reasonable stopping do you compromise on? Excellent point! No, wait, that’s nonsense. Never mind. But you don’t have to worry about me, I sincerely doubt that any such restrictions or regulations will be effective. I’m more or less sane, and reasonable. But every time something like this happens, our numbers shrink. And will continue to shrink, unless these things suddenly stop happening. Think that’s likely? I wish I did. But I don’t, and I’ll hazard the guess that you don’t either. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/54 "2013-01-14T17:22:20Z")
> [@JuliaSqueezer](#): > > Don’t forget scared! These little weird paranoids are, above all, frightened. They hold a big, badass gun to their chests, in total fear of the boogeyman. I cannot imagine living my life in such a fearful state. > > They are separate and apart from the gun owners who use their firearms for hunting, target shooting and (safely stowed/locked) home defense. We need the ones in that second category to be more vocal than the weird little gun fetishists. Yup, I remember a thread in which a doper mentioned that if someone knocks on their front door, they grab a gun before they answer; and this wasn’t someone living in a place with a lot of crime. I can’t imagine being that scared of life, it’s sad (pathetic actually). ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/55 "2013-01-14T17:22:43Z")
What’s all this about gum nuts? I chew a piece now and again, but I don’t think it’s excessive. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/56 "2013-01-14T17:34:17Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > What’s all this about gum nuts? I chew a piece now and again, but I don’t think it’s excessive. I prefer guv mints myself. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/57 "2013-01-14T17:56:47Z")
Broadly the same thing happened when Obama was originally elected. It’s paranoia. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/58 "2013-01-14T18:03:28Z")
What the fuck? Yes, people were paranoid that Obama was going to try to enact gun control when he took office. Those fears were unfounded at the time, and he did no such thing. HOWEVER, CURRENTLY his stated policy is to work with congress to enact new gun control measures, specifically aimed at the sort of guns that this thread is about, and that he’s also going to try to figure out which executive powers he can use to persue that goal. How in the fuck is that paranoia then? Are you all blind? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/59 "2013-01-14T18:13:38Z")
If you need a \*fourth \*AR-15, you are probably paranoid. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/60 "2013-01-14T18:19:34Z")
You gotta get one with one of the longer barrels and tighter tolerances if you want to shoot accurately enough to hit those moving goalposts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142.md?page=4)