# CA gun show draws 10,000 people ‘getting ready for the next revolution’ **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2013, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142 "2013-01-14T05:58:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/141 "2013-01-15T00:45:01Z")
> [@markdash](#): > > Don’t you think it’s a bit harsh to characterize people disturbed by mass shootings as “petulant children crying”? Not anymore. Not after gun thread number 8675309 of the week where the insults fly with impunity. Anything you might have had to say that might have appealed to me went away after **Der Trihs** / **BobLibDem** / **ElvisL1ves** ’ 1500th screed against gun owners. So I told it like it is. If you don’t want to be dismissed so casually, call off your dogs and discuss this like normal, rational human beings. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/142 "2013-01-15T01:04:18Z")
On the question of “gun nuts”? No such people exist? No such people with such a paranoid and fetishistic attachment to firearms that they would contemplate (or perhaps “fantasize” is the right word…) committing treason? The kind of person who only has one relevant political question about a politician: is he a “gun grabber”? May we use that as a rough definition of a “gun nut”? Does anyone want to advance the notion that no such creature exists, that he is a chimera made up by “grabbers”? Then they had best get over it. Because the curve of public opinion is clear, it is headed towards more restrictions and regulation. Mock their fears all you like, if you think that will help anything. You want as few restrictions as possible? Then act calmly, quietly, and make the deals. Negotiate. Take what you can get and let the rest slide. Personally, I don’t think any public action on this issue is likely to be effective, and almost certainly not worth the costs it will entail in enforcement and political chaos. But if public action is taken, it will at least allay their fears to some degree, lower the temperature on the hysteria. Give the NRA a chance to work its magic, slow walk and slow talk action to death. Because if you successfully resist every jot and tittle of gun control, you are only banking the fires and ensuring that the next time something like this happens…and bet on it, there will be a next time…the reaction will be that much worse, that much more unreasonable. Scared people are not sane people. If we are to avoid dozens of Ruby Ridges in our future, we must be reasonable, even when confronted with unreasonable fear. A position of absolute refusal is not reasonable. The true “gun nuts” amongst us are about to eat a shit sandwich. They can have mayo, or they can refuse, but eat it they will. Time like this, I wish I had Someone to pray to, but all we have is each other. And we will live together, or die. That’s it. Period. Full stop. ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/143 "2013-01-15T01:11:05Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > For the most part, hunting is an expensive recreational sport and not a cost effective way of getting meat. However, that doesn’t apply to everyone in the U.S. > > \ > > Those ‘reasonable’ restrictions that someone who never leaves Manhattan support are anything but that if you live in the Alaskan bush. That is the problem with using a really big hammer of law that applies equally to everyone. I appreciate your lack of hysterics to make a point. I also appreciate that I don’t have the full scope of perspective that anyone making “rules” would really need. I have no problem with hunters whatsoever - be it for sport or subsistence. I was merely making a point that \*\*August \*\*got all butthurt over. Guns can not, and will never, be fully divorced from violence. No society which permits guns, especially as liberally as ours, will ever be non-violent. Since he got super duper hung up on a minor point about hunting - I guess he’ll get left behind. That’s what happens to people who get hung up on things. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/144 "2013-01-15T01:18:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Time like this, I wish I had Someone to pray to, but all we have is each other. And we will live together, or die. That’s it. Period. Full stop. **luci** , **luci** , this is the pit; this is no kind o’ place for yer sense-talkin’. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/145 "2013-01-15T01:21:12Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > I actually recreationally shoot myself. That…doesn’t sound recreational. At least to me. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/146 "2013-01-15T01:37:52Z")
Wait a second, he may be on to something. Right advertising campaign, this could solve a lot of problems. Not an ideal solution, but still… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/147 "2013-01-15T01:41:32Z")
I know, start in internet rumor that guns give off limp rays, that render organic matter that ought to be rigid all soft and flaccid. Like celery. You sure don’t want that happening to your celery. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/148 "2013-01-15T03:40:28Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > What’s up with AR-/AK-type weapons? I wanna buy a pre-64 Winchester M-70 in 30-'06 and 2-screw ruger single-action in .357. magnum 😃 You can’t miss with the classics! Well, you can, but it’s not as easy as it is with an AR or AK. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/149 "2013-01-15T04:40:02Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Then what’s the point of the guns? They’ve always been there to either promote a violent act (revolution, crime, etc.) or to defend yourself from one. > > The tradition is one of violence. Guns = violence. They have no purpose outside of it. Target shooting is just a way to be better at it. I’m not going to pretend that the purpose of a gun is not to be extraordinarily effective at doing violence. But there is a difference between doing violence and standing ready to do violence. You can’t escape the latter in this world, whether you rely on a standing army or a citizen militia. If you are not prepared to do violence (or to have it done on your behalf) you will be preyed upon by those who are. We may differ on how much of that capacity for violence we are willing to entrust to the citizenry at large (me, a small amount; you, perhaps even less), but it’s always going to be there. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/150 "2013-01-15T05:04:17Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > If you are not prepared to do violence (or to have it done on your behalf) you will be preyed upon by those who are. Dang. How long have I got? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/151 "2013-01-15T05:13:47Z")
Its not the monkey who learned to kill who set us on the path to human, but the one who learned to cook. Female, a pretty good bet. ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/152 "2013-01-15T07:29:24Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Hunters in my family provide yummy deer sausages each year. However - to say it is anything other than sport is foolish. Being another who likes yummy venison sausage, I see it as artisan food gathering. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/153 "2013-01-15T08:25:02Z")
> [@Hbns](#): > > Being another who likes yummy venison sausage . . . :dubious: Your practices are illegal in most states, condemned by Scripture, and offensive to all animal-rights groups. And how can you run that fast anyway?! ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/154 "2013-01-15T08:39:50Z")
elucidator, I’m not sure that’s true. People’s stances on guns have increasingly been towards viewing gun ownership as an individual right over the years - with the poorest and richest dissenting and favouring gun control. Unless you have cites to the contrary? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/155 "2013-01-15T14:15:02Z")
Not catching the reference here. Politese for “Huh? Wha?”. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/156 "2013-01-15T15:29:40Z")
Regarding full-on gun fetishists who are preparing for the next revolution, I thought this post at TPM summarizes my feelings pretty well, [http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/01/rage\_bait.php?ref=fpblg](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/01/rage_bait.php?ref=fpblg) > [@](#): > > I view gun control from the prism of the gender wars. It’s a last-gasp attempt by lower-income men to hold onto some shred of self-respect: at least a capacity for autonomous violence, if they are left with nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/157 "2013-01-16T05:41:47Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :dubious: Your practices are illegal in most states, condemned by Scripture, and offensive to all animal-rights groups. And how can you run that fast anyway?! Ha! I just got that. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/158 "2013-01-16T15:58:17Z")
From **Momosa** on the first page: You political ranters will not win. Guns are too much an important part of our history, current culture and required for our future. It just won’t happen. The part I take some issue with is the “required for our future”. I enjoy target shooting, and my son wants nothing so much as for me to find someone to take him hunting (I don’t have the expertise). But any rational being, looking at the statistics, would have to agree our society would be safer without all of these guns, like just we are safer with seatbelts. As far as I’m concerned, given that the lady in article is much more likely to have her four AR-15s stolen and end up on the street, or used in a domestic homicide/suicide, she’s part of a problem, not part of a solution. I close with agreement, however, that “It just won’t happen”. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142/159 "2013-01-16T20:45:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Not catching the reference here. Politese for “Huh? Wha?”. Referring to this and [this](http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx) (ban posession of handguns except by police/other authorities - 1959 - 60% agreed, 2012, 24% agreed). Ed: Think BrainGlutton was talking about dong/bestiality, if that’s who you were referring to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ca-gun-show-draws-10-000-people-getting-ready-for-the-next-revolution/647142.md?page=7)