# Cafe Society peeves **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930 "2010-03-18T20:13:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/61 "2010-03-19T16:30:45Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Yeah, I totally agree with this. This isn’t GQ. > > I’ve had a ton of conversations in my life that are basically like “Keith Moon.” “No, Neil Peart.” Lather rinse repeat. So what? It’s fun to talk about. And through conversations like that, both in real life and on the boards, I’ve gained an appreciation for other drummers who are also really awesome. > > And even if no one will ever be able to convince me that Neil is better than Keith, they’ve managed to convince me that Neil is pretty fucking fantastic too. My peeve is when they don’t back up the statement. I know exactly squat about drummers and drumming, but if each side says “because his \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ was \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ in \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ and DRUMMRX could never make it that \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_.” Then I get to learn about the art and skills involved. These need not be factual statements, but my question is “What did you like about it?” And really, that’s what draws me to the Dope in the first place. My ignorance is ginormous, I want help fighting it. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/62 "2010-03-19T16:37:34Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > There’s a certain type of Cafe Society thread (which seems common enough we should try and think of a name for it), but its of the form “books/films/shows with property X”. For example, “movies where the main character never meets the antagonist”, and so forth. These threads are kinda pointless, but I enjoy them. Has anyone done this thread yet? I searched and had trouble finding one if it does. I think it’s a great thread idea, might have to poach it. A pet peeve of mine is when someone nitpicks about a movie getting something wrong, when everything else in the work requires massive amounts of suspension of disbelief. A recent example was a thread from last week where people complained about the way the high school power-play stuff was portrayed on Lost. You don’t have a problem w/ Frozen Donkey Wheels, Smoke Monsters, and Time Travel… but gripe on and on about how “That’s not how AP Tests work” or whatever. Give it up - it’s a TV show, not a documentary! And speaking of documentaries… The Office is a sitcom. Who cares if the documentary premise is flawed. Just don’t watch it if it bothers you that much! ---
**Author:** ![McGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@McGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McGeek)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/63 "2010-03-19T17:00:17Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > …- **Titanic** is a very well made and entertaining movie. Really. It is. Back when it was just a movie that came out and before it was capital-T-Titanic, it got amazingly good reviews and everyone who I talked to who saw it liked it. It also has very good acting, in general (how many Oscar nominations have Leo and Kate gotten?) and the screenplay (as distinct from the dialog) is first rate. > [@Equipoise](#): > > Yes. Yes. A thousand times yes. People who hate Titanic seem to think that everyone hates Titanic, that its estimation has gone down because all they usually see are snarks from other people who hate it. It’s only because the people who loved and still love the movie tend to roll their eyes and keep quiet, while the ones who hate it are vocal and self-assured in their hatred. They’re like the Teabaggers of movies. I would guess that Titanic is still loved, admired, and respected by the vast majority of people who saw it. To this day it’s still at [83% at Rotten Tomatoes](http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/titanic/?name_order=asc) and a [7.3 at IMDB](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120338/ratings) and [74 at Metacritic](http://www.metacritic.com/video/titles/titanic). It’s held up very well. If it were as horrifically bad as some would have us believe, those scores would be a lot lower. I have no problem with people who don’t like the movie. But I wish they’d quit pretending that it’s universally hated, that it’s by definition bad, that only teenage girls liked it and propelled it to its huge box office, and that the people who voted on the Oscars didn’t know what they they were doing. On a personal note, I saw it again in the theater a few weeks ago at a retrospective, and it absolutely held up in every way. Excuse me, but you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Yes, if someone who hates Titanic acts like everyone with any sense must hate it, you are justified in being annoyed at them. But for you to rant for several sentences how _everyone_ who dislikes it acts that way is even worse, because of the inherent hypocrisy of complaining about something _while doing the same thing_. Meet ME. I am a person who hated Titanic. I do NOT think that everyone with sense also hates it. I have never encountered a single person who does think that everyone hates it. In fact, I feel just the opposite - I feel as though I am in the overwhelming minority to hate it. Even here on SDMB. None of your counter-arguments address my actual reasons for disliking the movie: - I do NOT think it was “horrifically bad”. Cameron does somethings better than almost anyone else, and he did those things in Titanic. But the things that I found disappointing outweighed the good. - I do NOT believe that only teenage girls liked it. However, I believe there is a factual basis for arguing that their demograph was a big factor in its box office success. I remember reading reports on that fact at the time. Sorry I cannot cite, as it’s been years. Maybe that report was wrong. But I did not make that fact up out of thin air just because I disliked the movie. - I do NOT think that the Academy voters did not know what they were doing. I assumed they were genuinely impressed with the movie. Even I would have placed it as high as 2nd place for best pic, given the nominees (I would’ve voted for LA Confidential.) - I do NOT assume that the movie would not “hold up” in the minds of those who loved it when it first came out. I am sure those who loved it still loved it. The OP actually DID address 2 of my real objections, although the OP dismissed them as ridiculous: - the acting. And no, it’s not because I just don’t like Leo DiCaprio or Kate Winslet. I think they are 2 of the most talented actors in the business. In fact, the whole cast are people whose work I admired. But personally, it just felt flat to me in many places. It felt kind of fake. I heard everyone raving about the chemistry between them, so again, I KNOW I am in the minority with that view. But that is my view. And since I do like those actors, I tend to attribute the problem to what they had to work with - which brings me to… - the script. This was by far the big problem with the movie. I am not the first to note that Cameron goes with very simplistic & corny plots and dialogue. George Lucas had the same problem in many Star Wars eps. I think many more people slam Lucas than Cameron on that count. FTR, I have enjoyed some Cameron movies. I liked The Abyss best - even though it suffered from some of the same corny formulaic dialogue at points, the plot did surprise me, even enthrall me. In the original Terminator, I could see everything coming a mile away, but I still enjoyed it a lot. I really liked the 2nd Terminator, and consider it an example of a well-executed sequel. I also liked, but did not love Avatar, for all the reasons given by just about anyone I’ve heard on the topic, so I’m not original there. But the Titanic script bugged the hell out of me. The REAL people’s stories from the Titanic disaster happen to be FASCINATING drama. I am not any special Titanic buff, but had caught several documentaries on TV over the years. Which of course were airing more often in the months leading up to the movie’s release. So to then see the movie, which was about the most boring, standard people, with the most boring, standard love story was a glaring letdown. Seriously, if you just google some of the historical info on the real Titanic, you will find hours of more compelling entertainment, just READING, than the Cameron movie provided. IMO. And that’s what I REALLY think, so don’t put words in my mouth just to have an easy straw man target. Now, in the past threads about movies, I may even have posted something including a passing reference to Titanic as being dreck, without presenting all these reason why I think so. That does NOT mean that I consider it a given that all others think it is dreck too. And I really don’t appreciate being compared to tea-baggers… ---
**Author:** ![HelloKitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecccb3/32.png) [@HelloKitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelloKitty)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/64 "2010-03-19T17:02:56Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > :eek: > > It’s a Cafe. Food belongs. Deal with it. That’s kind of what I was thinking. I have a mental picture of “sitting in a cafe talking about movies/books/tv/music” when I’m in this forum. So why not discuss food also? When you’re in a cafe you will usually talk about the food and drink you are having, or talk about the crappy food you’re not having. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/65 "2010-03-19T17:04:28Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > I would think the folks who need the characters explained to them wouldn’t know enough about them or the show they’re on to say which one they prefer. Exactly. And personally, if I don’t immediately recognize the names, then I enjoy figuring out who they’re referring to. In the grand scheme of “peeves,” this one is pretty petty. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/66 "2010-03-19T17:13:33Z")
I loved “Titanic.” Love, love, loved it. I sat stunned for a couple of minutes after the movie ended, trying to process what I had just seen. Another of my peeves is the people who have to come out of the woodwork to try to out-obscure each other when we’re talking about favourite this or that. I like to get ideas for new thing to try from threads like that; posting your favourite band that has put out a release of five albums and only two people in the world have heard of them is useless to me. Also, links to videos that won’t play outside the US. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/67 "2010-03-19T17:29:54Z")
> [@HelloNinja](#): > > Has anyone done this thread yet? I searched and had trouble finding one if it does. I think it’s a great thread idea, might have to poach it. I think its a real example, but it was a long time ago (like when I first joined the board), so its probably due for a repeat. Poach away. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/68 "2010-03-19T17:35:58Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Do you really need to come into a thread just to shit all over somebody who _likes_ beans in their chili? Honest to fuck, does it really matter at all? Nobody is asking you to eat it, and we’re all impressed by your knowledge of “real” Mexican/Tex-Mex foods. Honest. And while I hate nearly all things ketchup, if you want to eat it on your ice cream, who’s to say you’re a disgusting pig? Most threads in CS don’t go that direction, but every so often. . . Oh, hell yes! I actually wanted to start a thread once asking for different regional chili recipes but I knew, even if I put in a “please don’t do this”, I would get a ton of “beans/vegetables in chili are an abomination” posts. I may have been guilty of saying “pineapple on pizza” is an abomination and if so I apologize, I still think it’s disgusting but I will endeavor not to do this again because it’s really annoying when someone does this about your food choices. Sure you can not like something and express an opinion but it’s how you do it and the attitude that your opinion is the only one that matters. And it’s really, really unnecessary when the thread is asking for recipes for a particular foodstuff and you have to chime in “take food item, chuck it in garbage, order a pizza”, really if you don’t like it stay out of the thread. Some other examples; “Mayo is Satan’s spunk” “Sardines taste like ass” “Brussel sprouts should be banned” and the ever popular “Sushi is bait” > [@lost4life](#): > > Mini peeve, but many of us read this forum from work. Many work places block sites such as Youtube. So, when there is a thread about **What’s Your Favorite Disco Metal Song** or **Your Favorite TV Commercials** , > it’s annoying when the whole thread is just [Youtube Links](http://www.youtube.com) with no description\*. Actually, even when I have Youtube access, I appreciate even a mild description of what I’m clicking on, and not just [Enjoy](http://youtube.com). > > …] Another “amen” to this I have walked away from numerous threads that turned in to just a bunch of “this” with YouTube links and no other explanation. Either I can’t open YouTube or it takes several minutes to load and by then I forgot why I was watching it. It would take hours to read an entire multiple page thread of these. And for crying out loud, it’s a thread on movie one-liners just quote the damn line don’t link to a 5 minute clip leading up to it. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/69 "2010-03-19T17:39:51Z")
Minor and only slightly annoying – starting a thread about a TV episode too early. That thread will drop off the first page because there’s nothing to say. Someone else will start a thread after the episode has aired, and then we have dueling threads. Conversely, starting a thread without at least looking at the first page to see if it’s been done. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/70 "2010-03-19T19:34:49Z")
> [@lost4life](#): > > Mini peeve, but many of us read this forum from work. Many work places block sites such as Youtube. So, when there is a thread about **What’s Your Favorite Disco Metal Song** or **Your Favorite TV Commercials** , it’s annoying when the whole thread is just [Youtube Links](http://www.youtube.com) with no description\*. Actually, even when I have Youtube access, I appreciate even a mild description of what I’m clicking on, and not just [Enjoy](http://youtube.com). > > \*To be honest, I’m pretty sure I’ve been guilty of doing this. Thirding, or fourthing?, this. I have an old computer, it’s slow, I keep the speakers off. I almost never click on YouTube links. Give us a song title or some kind of clue so we know whether we want to start the clip or not. ---
**Author:** ![badbadrubberpiggy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/57b2e6/32.png) [@badbadrubberpiggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badbadrubberpiggy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/71 "2010-03-19T19:44:49Z")
“The only reason you don’t like popular restuarant/movie/band is because they’re popular!” and “Yes, I know I’m not cool for liking \”. Yeah, there are reasons to dislike something other than it being popular. ---
**Author:** ![badbadrubberpiggy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/57b2e6/32.png) [@badbadrubberpiggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badbadrubberpiggy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/72 "2010-03-19T19:46:07Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > and the ever popular “Sushi is bait” Along with, “sushi is trendy & the trend will die any time now” Maybe if you were posting from 1981. ---
**Author:** ![delphica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9a140/32.png) [@delphica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/delphica)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/73 "2010-03-19T20:30:40Z")
People who start threads to say “Recommend a book to me” and that’s _it._ Nothing about what their interests are, or if they are leaning toward fiction or non-fiction, or if there are particular authors or genres they do not like, or anything that might give me a sense of what books I should recommend. I think I’m very good at recommending books, so throw me a bone and tell me _something_ about your interests. Even the inverse is helpful – I get that people are often looking for books outside of their usual zone, so _say_ “I read a lot of mysteries, and would like to try something different.” Also the reverse situation, where an OP does get specific and says something like “I’m looking for a book for a teenage girl who loves ice skating” and more than one person recommends something that is both 1. in no way related to what the OP described, and 2. one of the SDMB’s pet books, like LOTR or Guns, Germs and Steel. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/74 "2010-03-19T22:02:23Z")
People who dismiss rap as noise, all rappers as illiterate thugs, or the genre as just some passing fad. I’m not even a fan, but it annoys the crap out of me, and is obnoxious. Rapping is as much an art as any other form of self-expression, and you may hate it because it’s not rock, or it’s a black genre that hasn’t been taken over by whites, or because the scary men with their sagging pants offend your sensibilities, but get over it, and just accept that it’s very consistently popular and is in no more danger of dying than whatever kind of music you listen to. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/75 "2010-03-19T22:32:54Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > These are really minor peeves, but I include them here for educational purposes on the chance that not everyone already knew about them: > > • You don’t need to add ten lines of empty space for mouseover spoilers of the first post in a new thread. If you don’t want the text to show up on mouseover, encase your body text in [brackets]. > > • You can append the code for the exact start time of the one scene relative to your Youtube link using #t00m00s. Example: “Scroll to the 5:16 mark [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPCUDAF0bVY).” Instead of making everyone to wait for the whole thing to load, just say “Scroll [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPCUDAF0bVY#t=05m16s)” I didn’t know either of those useful facts - thanks! ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/76 "2010-03-19T22:47:26Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > People who dismiss rap as noise, all rappers as illiterate thugs, or the genre as just some passing fad. I’m not even a fan, but it annoys the crap out of me, and is obnoxious. Rapping is as much an art as any other form of self-expression, and you may hate it because it’s not rock, or it’s a black genre that hasn’t been taken over by whites, or because the scary men with their sagging pants offend your sensibilities, but get over it, and just accept that it’s very consistently popular and is in no more danger of dying than whatever kind of music you listen to. Exactly. I’m constantly amazed by the old fogey-ness of the people claiming “rap isn’t music” here. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/77 "2010-03-19T22:57:29Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I like to get ideas for new thing to try from threads like that; posting your favourite band that has put out a release of five albums and only two people in the world have heard of them is useless to me. I don’t get this. Why does it matter how many people have heard of them? If they’re somebody’s favorite, shouldn’t they share? I mean, if you really like to get ideas from those threads, I don’t see why something being obscure would stop you from checking it out. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/78 "2010-03-19T23:00:48Z")
I’m annoyed by how much people exaggerate when describing food they don’t like. No, that pizza crust does not taste like cardboard. No food tastes like cardboard. Go ahead and chew on some actual cardboard if you don’t believe me. The same goes for styrofoam. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve seen complain about the lack of flavor in food that I find perfectly flavorful (albeit a bit on the mild or subtle side); if they can’t discern the flavor, the shortcoming lies with them, not the food. I know people like to exaggerate when criticizing things, but comparing food to packing material (or worse, garbage or excrement) is lazy, not creative. > [@Clawdio](#): > > In the same vein. I really don’t care if TVTropes already has a list of bands with colors in their name. I have the exact opposite opinion. I don’t like it when people start threads on topics that tvtropes has already covered (usually in great detail) and act like they’re breaking new ground. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/79 "2010-03-19T23:04:13Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > I don’t get this. Why does it matter how many people have heard of them? If they’re somebody’s favorite, shouldn’t they share? I mean, if you really like to get ideas from those threads, I don’t see why something being obscure would stop you from checking it out. It bothers me mainly because there’s rarely a way to legally obtain a lot of this music. Oh, your favorite band broke up in 1992 and only put out 1 CD that only sold 16 copies? How do I listen to it today? ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930/80 "2010-03-19T23:11:43Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > That’s the same faulty logic that delayed the introduction of The Game Room for years. > > I agree that there aren’t enough food threads to merit their own forum. But any doom and gloom reasoning beyond that is just plain silly. The Game Room didn’t create a slippery slope that’s doomed to destroy the board. On the contrary, the rousing success of The Game Room has demonstrated that adding a topical forum can improve the board. > > Again, there aren’t enough food threads to fill a forum on their own, but eating is so mundane as to be a no-brainer to belong in the MPSIMS forum. The Game Room drives me absolutely batty. It’s a completely inappropriate division - what on earth do board games and video games have to do with sports? It’s like the Sports Channel 23 hours of the day and there’s something interesting on between 3 and 4 AM or something. Video and board games belong in Cafe Society. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society-peeves/532930.md?page=5)