# Cafe Society **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2007, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426 "2007-07-27T20:54:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/161 "2007-07-30T15:12:36Z")
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**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/162 "2007-07-30T15:14:44Z")
Perhaps high-brow and low-brow refers to sag. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/163 "2007-07-30T15:35:59Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] I am, frankly, bewildered as to why those of you who want to discuss “high-brow” topics in CS simply don’t start some threads about what you are interested in discussing. If you’d like to talk about the reverse image of The Last Supper, debate whether **NAF1138** ’s real cousin was the Earl of Oxford, or accuse Homer of plagiarism, well shit, feel free. There’s no rule that say it has to have been on TV last night. [/QUOTE] My cousin wasn’t the Earl of Oxford **Frank**. My mother-in-law is a direct decendant of Mary Queen of Scots! 😉 Get your doper geniology right! 😛 And I for one like the content of CS. There is pleanty of art talk. There is more talk about pop art, true, but there is pleanty of talk about all sorts of other things. ---
**Author:** ![Solfy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Solfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Solfy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/164 "2007-07-30T21:24:14Z")
[QUOTE=Little Plastic Ninja] . . . and the shoes of that large fellow with LOVE and HAT (he’s missing one finger on that hand) tattooed on his knuckles. [/QUOTE] That one made me giggle. I will smile about it for the remainder of the day. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/165 "2007-07-31T14:09:11Z")
Is there anything wrong with enjoying fresh topics even if it can be acknowledged that they are less than eloquent. I think South Park is crass, but at least it’s current, it’s just not as much fun to have a _Wealth of Nations_ debate. Modern pop culture also has massive accessibility, a discussion requires other people to have shared the experience, hence the reason for book clubs. How many people went to the Louvre yesterday, 'cause I want to talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/166 "2007-07-31T15:59:06Z")
[QUOTE=Dervorin] Venus ftw! She’s hotter by far! She roxx0rs my soxx0rs! Ooga ooga! Nekkid boobies! [/QUOTE] Not so great for hand jobs though. ---
**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/167 "2007-07-31T16:53:57Z")
> [@Procyon](#): > > it is always somewhat disheartening for me to see threads about art and literature plummet like a stone while the TV threads are born on the wings of their multiple pages. I think far more than tastes and the nebulous “high brow vs. low brow,” Cafe Society is driven by _timeliness_. There have been many threads about various pieces of literature that I would’ve liked to participate in, but it had been too long since I’d read that particular piece to speak knowledgeably about it. I can remember the gist, and I can remember my impressions, but there’s no immediacy for me. Frankly, I won’t run to the library to pick up a copy of a given Shakespeare play or what-have-you just to participate in the thread, so I read the discussion but don’t post anything. On the other hand, a bunch of members will probably have read a book that just came out, or seen a film that was just released, or watched an ongoing TV show. Those things are much more recent, and therefore more easy to recall and discuss. I’d also argue that threads about the great pieces of literature/art/film (and even TV) may spur people to seek those pieces out, even if they’re too late to participate in the discussion. I just finished reading Scott McCormack’s _The Road_, and the first thing I did was look up old threads about it to see what other Dopers thought. Too late for me to revive those threads, but I did read them. Same goes for lots of other stuff, for me. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/168 "2007-07-31T16:59:39Z")
[QUOTE=Muffin] All dignity and the risk of an eye infection. Oops, wrong thread. [/QUOTE] Was that another potshot at me, or am I just oversensitive this morning? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/169 "2007-07-31T17:55:35Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] Was that another potshot at me, or am I just oversensitive this morning? [/QUOTE] Dude, given what you put in your eye, oversensitivity isn’t exactly the word. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/170 "2007-07-31T20:38:13Z")
[QUOTE=Muffin] Dude, given what you put in your eye, oversensitivity isn’t exactly the word. 😉 [/QUOTE] Damnit, that was funny and now I cant be angry anymore 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/171 "2007-07-31T22:06:18Z")
Good. Want you to smile. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/172 "2007-07-31T22:55:49Z")
[QUOTE=Small British Shop Owner] High brow: Well-known or well-respected art you would never hang on your walls Horace (Horatius) Low brow: … MLB: How’s your team doing? How about vs. what you expected? ( 1 2 ) … Steroids in different sports. . . … yankees in playoffs … Keeping balls hit into the stands at sports events. Schilling’s latest comments on Bonds & Big Mac. … [/QUOTE] Well us low brow sports fans have been begging for our own forum for years, don’t blame us that we are lumped in with Café. I know we do not really belong there. They inconsistently kick us out of the other forums. As far as TV & Movies in Café, well that is the heart of Café, I guess on the Dope, Café is more ironic than descriptive. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/173 "2007-07-31T23:59:12Z")
[QUOTE=Small British Shop Owner] Oooooh, get you! @Miller: No. [/QUOTE] Wait, what? Me? Did I post to this thread and black out or something? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/174 "2007-08-01T00:09:30Z")
[QUOTE=Windwalker] I’m surprised that no one has mentioned this, but I would divide “high-brow” and “low-brow” not by what is being discussed, but by _how_ it is being discussed. If you’re discussing how The Simpsons is a melting pot of cultural references that helps set the stage for modern discourse, that feels just as high-brow to me as a discussion about Lady McBeth’s state of mind. It’s certainly much more high-brow to me than a thread about who’s hotter, Mona Lisa or Venus di Milo? [/QUOTE] _Venus de Milo_ by at least an arm’s length. ---
**Author:** ![stretch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@stretch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stretch)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2007, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/175 "2007-08-01T00:12:17Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Wait, what? Me? Did I post to this thread and black out or something? [/QUOTE] I don’t know if you blacked out or not, but SBSO got you confused with **Muffin**. Who, for SBSO’s edification, is a male. ---
**Author:** ![stretch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@stretch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stretch)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2007, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/176 "2007-08-01T00:15:05Z")
[QUOTE=Beadalin] I’d also argue that threads about the great pieces of literature/art/film (and even TV) may spur people to seek those pieces out, even if they’re too late to participate in the discussion. I just finished reading Scott McCormack’s _The Road_, and the first thing I did was look up old threads about it to see what other Dopers thought. Too late for me to revive those threads, but I did read them. Same goes for lots of other stuff, for me. [/QUOTE] Yes! I do this too–read a book, see a movie, whatever, and then see what the Dopers thought lo those many years ago when the topic of discussion was current (I’m about 2 years behind on movies since I don’t go to the theater, do PPV, or rent DVDs). I like being able to find out about the things I missed, and there are always things I miss. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2007, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/177 "2007-08-01T01:20:57Z")
[QUOTE=stretch] I don’t know if you blacked out or not, but SBSO got you confused with **Muffin**. Who, for SBSO’s edification, is a male. [/QUOTE] Well, that’s a relief. I’ve always had this wierd fear that I’d black out and post really crazy shit on the SDMB. Like I’d start pretending I was royalty, or telling everyone I’m gay, or something stupid like that. Glad to know I haven’t done that. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2007, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/178 "2007-08-01T01:39:18Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Well, that’s a relief. I’ve always had this wierd fear that I’d black out and post really crazy shit on the SDMB. Like I’d start pretending I was royalty, or telling everyone I’m gay, or something stupid like that. Glad to know I haven’t done that. [/QUOTE] … So we should stop referring to you as “Her Highness King Miller the III”? ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2007, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/179 "2007-08-01T01:55:19Z")
[QUOTE=Small British Shop Owner] I am seriously impaired in describing clearly what I mean by lowbrow, but in general anything vaguely modern is lowbrow almost by definition. [/quote] You might have served yourself better by stopping with the word “impaired”. 🙂 > [@](#): > > No films have yet matured enough to be highbrow (in that film as an art is still developing so quickly, although I’m sure this will hault shortly now that people are studying it!). Oh fuck you you snivelling poseur. This Board is full of people with a lot more film history under their belt than I, and I’ve worked in the film industry for 27 years. First of all, I have news for you. The word is spelled " halt". Second of all, the very idea that art does not exist until an art critic says it is art seriously undercuts any validity your OP might have had. It does not take someone to study an art form in order for it to be an art form. Here. You need examples. I understand. Small mind, small words. If I craft a sculpture out of stone, as I am wont to do sometimes, I can finish it. Alone. Put it on the shelf. All alone. Walk past it and look at it now and then. All by my little teensy lonesome. If my daughter plays a sonata on her violin in her bedroom and nobody is in the house, she played it. She heard herself play it. Nobody was there to hear it, enjoy it or ( horrors ) critique her performance. The creation of art is independent of the exposure of others to the art. Your statement up there is entirely bullshit without a shred of validity. The only reason I can even imagine you would make such a sweeping statement regarding highbrow and lowbrow is that in fact you are an art critic by trade. Which puts you right there in the pack between politicians and human slavery marketeers. The British film industry has offered up some amazing artists. I don’t even KNOW where to start. David Lean. Charles Chaplin. Alfred Hitchcock. Oh god. What’s the point in detailing it. [Just read this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_the_United_Kingdom), you narrowminded twit. And before you flounce in here to inform me that you have “Reported This Post”, this is The Pit. Asshole. Dish it out but cannot take it? Welcome to the real world, you horrorshow of a specimen. Cartooniverse ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2007, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cafe-society/413426/180 "2007-08-01T09:07:00Z")
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