Cafe Society's 1st book review: Two Xanth books or What the hell is Anthony thinking?

His perversity goes way back. In one of the Dangerous Visions anthologies (either the second or the third) there is a short story called ‘In the Barn’. It’s about an explorer who is sent to an alternate Earth where all large mammals except man died out for some reason, and humans have started keeping other humans (who are kept stupid by being kept in sensory deprivation on a low-protein diet for the first two years of their life) as livestock.

OK, and interesting enough idea. The explorer has to investigate a barn to find out what they are using for animals, and it turns out it’s a dairy barn. His descriptions of naked women with enormous breasts kept in pens and milked by machines is not what bothered me - he’s trying to show some of the less savory aspects of ranching by putting humans in the role of the animals. But there is a scene where the guy has to take a young ‘cow’ which just reached breeding age to the bull for it’s first mating. When he’s alone in the pen with the retarded teenage girl the main character sees a resemblance between the girl and a bitchy domineering woman he has a crush on and decides to have sex with her himself. He actually penetrates her, but is unable to get off because she has extremely loose genitalia, supposedly because they were bred for easy birthing - the line was ‘He could not plumb her well to it’s depth, nor gain purchase at the rim’. Sexually frustrated he gives up and takes her to the bull (which is a big, hairy, very well-endowed man) and then there is a vividly described brutal sex scene, and the main character gets some kind of satisfaction out of seeing her get it.

The thing that bothered me the most about this sequence is that the main character isn’t just some random weirdo who happened to wander into this alternate universe, he’s supposedly a highly-trained explorer, like an astronaut the best-of-the-best. He’s supposed to be the representative of normalcy, the guy the readers sympathize with and see this world through. There is a bit of text devoted to his questioning whether or not he should screw the cow (with him rationalizing that she was going to get it anyway) but he doesn’t feel any guilt or seem to think that what he did was wrong, it didn’t matter because the girl was raised as an animal and was mentally inferior to himself (though I remember that he thought he saw a glimmmer of intelligence in her eyes at first). If you are going to make your main character do something morally abhorrent then you better give a better explanation why he’s fucked up like that, other than ‘She looked like this stuck-up bitch he had the hots for and couldn’t help himself’.

Come to think of it, I can’t think of anything I’ve read by Piers Anthony that didn’t have perverted elements in it. That alone doesn’t make me think the author’s sick, because healthy people write about sick stuff all the time - it’s just that you get the impression that he thinks his characters are normal, just more honest about what they want.

In the Xanth series, does Anthony continually take current events and adapt them to fantasy by just throwing a few ‘magic’ terms into the mix? In the Incarnations of Immortality series, he did this all the time. A magic commuter carpet crashed into the icy waters of the Potomac river. If only they had remembered to use a de-icing spell! :rolleyes:

Speaking of his perversions, the Tarot series was also pretty out there, in an adolescent sort of way. A lot of time spent on anal sex, anal exploration and various feces-related activities.

–sublight.

Badt Maru: Ackk!! I remember that story and I hadn’t recalled it was Anthony. I read it first in my early teens and was rather repulsed, slightly titillated and disturbed at being titillated ( damn 13 year-old hormones :smiley: ). I read it again a few years later and was just repulsed. Talk about creepy misogyny :rolleyes: . Yep, he was a bit freaky from the get-go.

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And then there’s his “erotic parody” Pornucopia. :rolleyes: A friend of mine who has read the book (I’ve had neither the opportunity nor the inclination) says it’s about a man with a detachable penis. Lotsa laughs there.

This site has the following personal statement from Mr. Anthony:

I like that – not “Some material is unsuitable for young readers, so don’t read it until you’re old enough” but rather “Some material is unsuitable for young readers, so hide it so your parents don’t know you’re reading it.” Real mature, Piers.

Couple of things to think about when considering Anthony’s work.

I’ll start by saying I’ve lost count of how many of Anthony’s works I’ve read. I’ll agree right along with the crowd that Xanth is a horse that has been ridden past death and past pookadom. That’s his greatest weakness, IMHO: he comes up with a really interesting premise, then doesn’t know when to quit.

However, Xanth (and Spell in particular) was remarkably influential when it came about because it was one of the first that was humorous fantasy and it was one of the first to break away from the typical sword-and-sorcery or Tolkien mold. Others such as Allan Dean Foster, Craig Shaw Gardner and Robert Asprin quickly followed in their wake, and the result was a reawakened interest in the fantasy field in general. This was not a bad thing, IMHO. So Anthony really did make a valuable contribution to the field; it’s a pity that he doesn’t know when to quit.

My favorite of all that he has written was his Incarnation series, closely followed by the first three books of the Apprentice Adept series (which, IMHO, like Xanth, rapidly got into the overdone realm). While I didn’t enjoy And Eternity as much as I did the first five, I had to admit that the premise brought up some interesting food for thought. I’d recommend the first six Xanths and Crewel Lye to any middle-school aged reader. Total Recall (yep, the basis for the movie) and But What of Earth? also fall into the ‘maybe not a great read but provides good fodder for late-night bull sessions’ category. The Tarot series just…sucked. For all that they got him awards, I didn’t care for the Chthon works, either, nor for some of his earlier stand-alone ones (i.e. Orn).

Yes, some of Anthony’s darker stuff has disturbed me. (On Uses of Torture heading that list.) But then again, so does the work of Lovecraft and others. In fact, compared to some of Lovecraft’s stuff, Anthony’s forays into horror seem downright tame. I will say that some of his very dark stuff, if you sit down and think about the underlying message, will wonk your mind. The humans-in-the-barn story (In the Barn) from Anthonology is a classic example. Yep, it had its prurient side…but by the same token, it also makes you think about the relationship of man to domesticated livestock, and if you read the preface in Anthonology, that’s precisely what Anthony intended for the story to do. (Plus thumb his nose at some of the standards in the publishing industry at the time – it was originally written for Harlan Ellison’s Dangerous Visions anthology and published in '72.)

The other big fly that’s come into my enjoyment of Anthony’s works (and the reason I don’t read them as I used to) is the sexual factor that others have brought up. General sex, I’ve got no problem with. Firefly, on the other hand, was deeply disturbing to me, as were some of the scenes in the Bio series. That’s yet another hobbyhorse I wish Anthony would put back in the stable.

All that said and done, he’s done good work overall for the genre, if only to point a direction for others to forge into.

BTW…female kings are not farfetched, actually. Poland’s monarchy included them. (And that is no joke). And as far as pre-selling your work – that is done routinely. If you’re pitching a non-fiction article, you’ll generally send a query letter to the appropriate magazine editor pitching the idea before you go haring off and doing the work before you find out its unsalable; in fiction, the query-plus-synopsis is standard. Anthony may be a sell-out in other regards, but in doing that, he’s not doing anything worse than anyone else with market savvy does.

No it wasn’t. The basis for the movie was Phillip K. Dick’s short story “We Can Remember It For You Wholesale”. Anthony’s Total Recall was merely a novelization of the movie.

I started reading Piers Anthony with the “Incarnations of Immortality” series. I loved On a Pale Horse, but the remaining books dropped off steadily. I didn’t read the last twp of the seven until fairly recently, and only for the sake of completeness.

What really started creeping me out was in the author’s note at the end of Pale Horse where he describes his catheter insertion. A little too much information, thanks.

I haven’t read past the first book in the Xanth series, and have no desire to. Pretty much everything of his I have read leaves a nasty taste of misogyny.

And by the way. Total Recall (the movie) was based on “We Can Remember It for You Wholesale” by Philip K. Dick, not anything that Anthony has written.

Wups, I bow in the dust. You’re right; I was a lazy slob and didn’t go dig up the book before because we’ve been in the middle of rearranging half the house and knew I couldn’t put my hands on it easily.

This describes perfectly my beef with Anthony’s writing, thank you Badtz Maru you hit it on the head.

I read many of the Xanth books, some of the Incarnations of Immortality and also some of the Apprentice Adept series. I agree that the writing went downhill in the Xanth novels, though I’m not sure where to pinpoint the change.

The wierdness in the Xanth series didn’t bother me in middle school, although I was reading some of the earlier ones at that time. At the time I didn’t really understand the intricacies of sex and sexual politics.

I can only speak from personal experience, but I don’t think about sex the way Anthony’s characters do and I don’t think very many people do. If he is trying to point out that we all think about sex, then I think he is right but (at least for me) it is much more complex than he makes it out to be.