I remember reading somewhere… ah, here. Part of a fascinating series on early Genesis.
If I were one of only a small handful of people in The Whole Wide World, all related, and my raison d’être was to go forth and multiply, my first concern would not be that I was committing incest to do so.
Thanks for clarifying. It didn’t seem to make any sense for it to be less icky for Cain & Abel (no one would think about whether the sisters thought it was icky), because clearly lack any cultural context.
As to what I was taught- other children had been born & grown to maturity by that time, & they were the ones Cain feared- and his wife was probably a sister (more remotely a niece) as only parent-child incest was at that time forbidden (Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.)
I believe that is still a valid explanation, although I’m intriqued by the interpretation of there was a Genesis 1 Sixth-Age creation of general humanity and a Genesis 2 Seventh or Eighth-Age creation of Adamic humanity- that the Sixth-Agers were both the ones Cain feared & from where he got his wife, and that it was intermarriage between them & the Adamites which was described in the whole Genesis 6 “sons of God, daughters of men, Nephilim” deal.
Btw, if that’s the case, I think the pre-Adamites were “the daughters of men”, the Adamites were “the sons of God” and the Nephilim were those scoundrels among the Adamites that used their superior intellect & spiritual acuity to domineer the pre-Adamites, maybe even setting themselves up as god-kings over them.
I have to admit that my even considering the idea of pre-Adamite & Adamite races comes from occasionally watching Arnold Murray & reading some Christian Identity writings & straining the racism & anti-Semitism out of them.
[QUOTE=Gen 3:20]
And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
[/QUOTE]
So no Nephilim*, secondary creations, second Edens, or whatever at this time.
[QUOTE=Gen 4:1]
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
[/QUOTE]
Clearly their first child.
[QUOTE=Gen 4:2]
And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
[/QUOTE]
Clearly their second child, being the very next verse.
[QUOTE=Gen 4:17]
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
[/QUOTE]
Cain has his first child before Adam has his third (see next quote).
[QUOTE=Gen 4:25]
And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, [said she], hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
[/QUOTE]
Clearly the third son, directly conceived to replace the first son Abel.
So Cain’s wife can only have been an unmentioned sister, or some unmentioned race that spontaneously appeared between GEN 3:20 and 4:17 - and in 3:21 to 3:24 Adam and Eve are still in the Garden (and so cannot have children). GEN 4:3 to 4:16 are entirely concerned with Cain’s punishment.
Eve cannot have been “his wife”.
[QUOTE=Gen 5:3-5]
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
[/QUOTE]
And all these sons and daughters happen much, much later.
-
- Nephilim do not appear until Gen 6. In fact the KJV never uses the word anywhere, just saying “There were giants in the earth in those days” rather than NASB’s “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days”; whether giants or Nephilim they must have been Eve’s decendants barring an unmentioned second and subsequent act of creation..
From the fury Tisiphone, of course. I hear she fucking hates fratricide.
Genesis 3:16 suggests otherwise.
From Malleus’s recommended site- a Rabbinic article differentiating between the early humans from the Adamites, suggesting the Serpent may have been such a
proto-human and even the father of Cain…
Along with Gen 1:28
Even better. How did the idea get started that sex was original sin? Makes no sense at all. Damn you, Augustine of Hippo!
I believe scripture supports that the ‘sin’ was refraining from sex or taking control of reproduction. The temptation was exactly the same that apply today to delay having children - good for looks/beauty (not to be with child is seen as more attractive), increase knowledge (stay in school), more food (less mouths to feed). The sin was the violation of Gen 1:28.
How about believing that you are not capable of being a good parent due to financial, physical or mental problems, or wanting to adopt instead?
Not believing one is capable of being a parent is also of the enemy, if God gives you a child He will give you what is needed to raise that child. God will supply all your needs - that’s if you let Him.
Mental problems are a result of continued damage by the enemy, and it gets messy, but basically the same holds,God will not give you a child that you can’t raise.
Wanting to adopt is a issue between God and the couple, and may be used by God to compensate for the above mental issues.
Yeah, increasing knowledge… gotta burn in hell for that.
The thing is it’s a lie of the enemy that they bought, she was tempted with it - getting it by in this case schooling, but God offers us His wisdom and knowledge free.
Why did God give women a brain at all, then? If breeding is their primary function, what’s the point?
This is wrong. There are people out there that should not be raising children, and the fact that you would dare condemn them for making that hard decision disturbs me. To even suggest that people with mental problems might want to adopt instead, just to appease your god, is sick.
Continuing - how God does some of this, If your parents Love you and rejoice in you, and so does society, they are going to take you places and show you things, as a mentoring system, out of pure Love for you, you will learn because it will be enjoyable.
This system we traded for: paying taxes for strangers to teach our children out of fear of punishment.
Read my next post, the system is God working through us, even such mothers as ‘Mother Earth’ I believe as a intelligent spirit. It is the Love transferred / flowing from mother to child that allows that child to flow Love, and continue the cycle.
Ultimately, though, your argument is that Mankind, having received knowledge of self and good and evil, should regress to the level of animals who lack such knowledge and simply react to nature as it happens.