Items can be removed from the roster for a variety of reasons. Each year the manufacturer has to pay a fee for an item to remain on it. If the fee is not paid, then the item falls off and is no longer on the “not unsafe” list. Items have to recertify to get back on, with the requisite fees and testing.
If a manufacturer makes minor modifications to an item on the roster, it has to re-certify. If that doesn’t happen, it falls off the list.
The CA microstamping requirement is a way to ban all new semi automatic handguns in CA.
It will never get to that point. If it starts to affect law enforcement then they will either come up with a fix or an exception. Then only LEOs will have the power to buy guns in CA as it should be.
I should be thanking the NRA, I suppose. Through their refusal to compromise, they are voluntarily taking themselves out of the market. Its an end run around the 2nd Amendment that I celebrate, and I hope that eventually ALL gun manufacturers refuse to sell in CA.
The law isn’t what’s preventing them from buying Barret rifles or parts to repair the ones they have in stock. The law already exempts police from the restrictions. That’s the manufacturer telling the state and local governments of CA and NY that they can’t buy their product. This has nothing to do with the NRA.
Police are already exempt from the roster in CA. It’s also legal for a police officer to buy an off roster weapon, and sell it privately to a non-LEO. Equal protection my ass.
You realize that criminals will still have the ability to buy guns, right?
I think the point is that they will refuse to sell to law enforcement.
End runs around the constitution are bad regardless of whether you support the end run or not, it undermines the rule of law. If you want to change the constitution, then get 2/3rds of each house and 3/4th of the states to agree with you. I’m not sure this is an end run around the constitution but noone should be cheering for circumvention of the constitution.
It’s quite telling that you celebrate an “end run” around constitutionally-protected rights. Fuck you, and people like you, as it is people like you who perpetuate the decline of the protections of ALL rights.
You just re-emphasize the importance of the NSSF’s lawsuit against this anti-constitutional law.
LOL: yeah, you keep believing that, you loon. I’m guessing the number of NRA rubes who support civil rights in practice via for example the ACLU is minimal. The NRA is an industry lobby that poses as a human rights organization for the benefit of the loons, rubes, gulls and swallows that make up its proud and posturing membership. These crazies think the best way to treat mental health conditions is to pack the afflicted’s pockets with pistols: we know this because the NRA props the gun show loophole. They need help, no I mean treatment.
Who defended Oliver North? Who is on the NSA’s case? Who opposes torture? Not the NRA. The argument above is delusional: it raises the nutbar to impressive heights.
I’ll make a prediction. Which we can compare with, you know,* reality*. The law passed by courageous members of the California legislature will help put hardened criminals behind bars. Wild-eyed NRA fanatics insist that this won’t happen because they say its easy to mod a firearm to defeat the microstamp. Fine, bub. Make a prediction then. Because, you know, what works in practice, works. Everything else is hot air and hallucination.
Full disclosure. Clownish and gratuitous insults aside, my track record with gun control predictions isn’t too hot. True, I haven’t made such predictions here, but still. (I’ve reported them after the fact however.)
Please explain in detail what the gun show loophole is. Please cite that the NRA wants to put guns in the hands of people wth mental illness.
Cite that NARAL or other single-issue advocacy groups oppose torture or the activities of the NSA? I’m sure the Brady Campaign has done so, right? Wait, let me check their website… nope, nothing.
Why would they care about anything but their single issue? That’s their reason for existing, nothing else.
No problemo. The NRA loves it every time there’s a mass shooting - within weeks, the most dangerous place in the world is the space between them and a reporter. More guns, more talk of gun control, more paranoid lunatics buying weaponry, more fund$ for their clientele, the gun industry. I mean this is obvious, right? The firearm industry provides the funds, the NRA provides the marks and the craven loons.
Ceasefire Oregon wants universal criminal background checks on all gun sales, including ones at gun shows, including ones sold by private gun holders. The NRA opposes this: they believe any lunatic, terrorist, criminal, miscreant, felon, or drug addled toddler should have free access to high powered weaponry without background checks in practice. A pistol in every pocket and a semiautomatic within reach of every itchy trigger finger.
I was referring to the ACLU and the EFF - true civil rights organizations. Conflating them with the NRA is laughable. Brady postures as a public safety organization - which they are. They don’t pretend to advance Freedom Fries and the like.
The NRA: preening, posturing pusillanimous blowhards.
More microprinting. More solved crimes. That’s the prediction.
If you shitheads don’t like California and the way we do things, stay out. We make our own laws, and if you object to it, you are an undemocratic fascist. I have never shoveled snow at my house in 51 years of living in California. Our weather is better, our food is better, our sightseeing is better, our laws are better, our people are friendlier, our gays are less oppressed, our museums are better (expect for maybe New York), etc. In short, we live in a better place than you do. Because we aren’t stupid enough to live wherever you live. Please stay there!!! If there is one thing about the shithole you live in that is better than California, please take this time and space to brag about it. If you are France, Italy or Hawaii, please plausibly do so, the rest of you just sit there looking stupid because you live in a much worse place.
I don’t care that you live in California. I don’t care about your politics, I don’t care about your lifestyle, I don’t care about any of it. It’s your home, it’s your business. If I wanted to live there, I’d be there.
But when you export it, it becomes my business. Keep your affairs within your borders and we’ll get along just fine. Alas, it never does stay there, does it? Nope, not any more than it does my state. I have an interest in keeping this microstamping nonsense far away from me. If you don’t want people to comment negatively on it, keep it that way.
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Honest to TFSM, I do not engage in the export of California. We are entitled to pass our “microstamping” laws, and you are entitled to comment on them. But we aren’t forcing any state that is not named “California” to adopt them. You don’t like the law, don’t adopt it, no skin off of my nose. Or anyone else’s in California. We don’t have an “Internationale” with respect to our laws. Now sometimes we come up with a really good idea and others voluntarily adopt it. Voluntarily is the key. Now even more rarely, one of our judges comes up with some fucking un-assailable reasoning, such as Vaughn Walker USDC retired did with equal protection and gay marriage. Even knuckle dragging judges in Oklahoma (yeah, I almost put an “o” at the end) read it and can’t get around logic of it and agree that the rule of law applies in the state of Inhofe and Coburn, but we have a lot of smart people running around The Golden State coming up with good ideas that other people can adopt as their own.
I think we’ve been over this before but the NRA is not an industry shill. They have led boycotts against companies like smith & wesson because the NRA felt those companies were betraying the second amendment. The NRA doesn’t have power because it gets money from industry. It gets money from industry because it has power. It gets more money from private citizens than any other source and it gets almost all of its political power from individuals.
*I am an NRA member but I’m not four square with their politics but in the realm of gun rights, they are the lesser of many evils (go check out the gun owners of america or almost any other gun rights group, the NRA is just about the mildest group out there and I’m certainly not going to support a groups that want to turn our second amendment into something like what Mexico has). I don’t like how much they associate themselves with the Republican party and that they have started expressing opinions about taxes and unions but they’re not shills for industry any more than NARAL is a shill for the people who make stuff that is used in performing abortions.
I think the objection to the Manchin Toomey bill was more of a “fuck you” to the gun grabbers than anything else. The gun grabbers had wasted all their political capital on an AWB and didn’t have enough dry powder to get a gun show loophole so the NRA said “fuck you” and blocked that too. I think if folks on the gun control side had led off with the Manchin Toomey bill, the NRA would have felt they were getting off easy and supported the deal, heck I think the gun grabbers could have gotten quite a bit before they made the AWB blunder. Thats just my opinion, YMMV.
Requiring background checks at gun shows is like extending the maginot line across a few miles of the Luxembourg border and doing nothing about Belgium. It doesn’t even slow the criminals down.
Why would you expect a gun rights organization to fight for those things? Where was NARAL when it came to Oliver North?
I predict that the law fails judicial review and if it doesn’t fail,I predict that the “hardened criminals” don’t go out to get their guns fitted with microstamping technology. So all the guns in the possession of hardened criminals will continue to not have microstamping technology. If the hardened criminals have to buy a new gun, I predict that they will buy a gun in Nevada or something, they simply won’t buy a gun with microstamping technology.
I don’t really object to microstamping technology (if you could prove to me that it would do any good and wouldn’t make guns significantly more expensive) so much as I object to the fact that this is being used by California to ban guns the same way that some states are requiring abortion clinics to have admission privileges at nearby hospitals to simply get rid of abortion clinics.
I think we’ve shown the NRA tax returns several times. The facts did not support the notion that the industry was financing the NRA.
The NRA is about as much of a civil rights organization as NARAL.
Who was doing that?
Perhaps but not involving hardened criminals.
And after the courts strike down the law, can I invite you to leave this country if you don’t like the second amendment? Might I suggest that the folks that want to dismiss the second amendment when there is not popular support for the notion of getting rid of firearms are also undemocratic?
I support free speech and your right to ask me to leave the country. I support the second amendment. I do interpret it differently than you do. But I think all sane people who don’t have a criminal record should be allowed to own firearms. I don’t have any problem with seizing the firearms of convicted felons or insane people.
And so we come full circle, because neither does the NRA, who you explicitly accused of wanting convicted felons and insane people to have firearms. Weird that you have the same viewpoint as an organization you revile.
