# California Propositions 2018 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 11, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808 "2018-10-11T15:43:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/61 "2018-10-23T22:40:12Z")
Digging out my list, I’m voting: 1-4 Yes 5 No 6 Hell, no 7-10 Yes 11 No 12 Yes We’ll see if the rest of the state is with me. The great joy in voting No on 6 is that the state Repubs have tried to make it a “major issue” they could run on, and the effort has flopped mightily. No money for TV ads, so nobody hears about the issue and even the Repub base is apathetic. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/62 "2018-10-23T23:07:32Z")
> [@Fear\_the\_Turtle](#): > > Here’s my understanding of the DST issue: > If the proposal passes, it would repeal the 1949 State adoption of DST paving the way to get rid of it, adopt it year round or keep it the same. Any change would require 2/3 (or 3/4?) of the state legislature to approve. The author of the bill, Chu, wants year round DST. But states can only opt in or opt out of DST (see AZ, HI and IN), they can’t adopt it year round. The only way to adopt it year round is to essentially change the time zone you’re in - that is what requires US Congress approval. CA would have to ‘move’ to the Mountain Time Zone (with NV to the east in the Pacific TZ!) and then ~not~ do DST in the summer to get year round DST. > > Forgot to add - I’m voting for it on the off chance it winds up eliminating DST. I think the odds of getting year round DST (which would be awful) are slim. Thank you for the excellent summary. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/63 "2018-10-23T23:38:00Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Thank you for the excellent summary. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/64 "2018-11-05T16:20:08Z")
The final is tomorrow, be sure to study up! There’s one LA County measure: W, a parcel tax to pay for stormwater cleaning, based on the square-footage of impermeable surface on each property. I’m going to vote yes, although I don’t like the regressiveness of the tax. It’s not based on the ability to pay. But, it is based on the property’s burden to the environment, so the incentives are in the correct direction. LA needs better water management. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/65 "2018-11-05T21:33:46Z")
Is there consideration of rain barrels in the proposal? We’ve got a similar ordinance in Cleveland, but if you drain your roof into rain barrels (which you then presumably use for some purpose), you get a discount (maybe equal to the total area of the roof?). ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/66 "2018-11-06T02:18:40Z")
Thank you **Pleonast** for starting this thread. I appreciate any help I can get doing my due voter diligence. While this is a thread for Propositions, I wanted to pass along a helpful bit of advice I uncovered about approving all those CA judicial appointees. I always feel unsure about how much effort to put into those, and often guiltily left them blank in the past. This time I found an LA Times article pointing out that voters aren’t really expected to base their up-or-down votes on the ordinary rulings these judges make in the course of their careers. The periodic approvals are only there to give voters a chance to recall judges who they feel have gone way out of bounds. The default policy the article recommends is that if the name of the particular judge is not in the news and unknown to the voter, then the voter is justified to assume the judge is doing their job and to give them a “Yes” vote. It would in fact be detrimental to the process to overly scrutinize the judges rulings and vote them out based on what would likely be partisan or personal objections. Maybe the rest of you realized that already, but it was a little bit of weight off my mind to read that. Despite all that, I still voted “No” on Corrigan based on **Hajario’s** information posted at the beginning of the thread (thanks for the head’s-up). ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/67 "2018-11-06T05:13:51Z")
I just consulted your helpful list, **Pleonast** , while organizing my thoughts for tomorrow. Thank you for putting this all together. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/68 "2018-11-06T05:16:44Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > The final is tomorrow, be sure to study up! I did the take home test a couple of weeks ago. And thanks for helping me make my cheat sheet! ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/69 "2018-11-06T17:15:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Is there consideration of rain barrels in the proposal? We’ve got a similar ordinance in Cleveland, but if you drain your roof into rain barrels (which you then presumably use for some purpose), you get a discount (maybe equal to the total area of the roof?). Good question. I don’t know the answer. But since the intent of the tax is to reduce pollution entering the water system, I don’t know if collection on a property makes much difference. Maybe slowing down the flow is helpful, maybe not. Personally, I’m thinking of rerouting my eaves into the backyard, where it can soak into the ground, instead of the street, where it goes to the LA river. Even if it doesn’t give me a tax break, it’s good for my yard and the environment. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/70 "2018-11-07T14:35:54Z")
Current results, with 728 of 24,312 precincts not having reported anything. Final results aren’t expected until early December. 1 Bonds to Fund Veteran & Affordable Housing. **YES** 54.1% no 45.9% 2 Amend Existing Housing Program for Mental Illness. **YES** 61.2% no 38.8% 3 Bond for Water and Environmental Projects. yes 47.6% **NO** 52.4% 4 Bond for Children’s Hospital Construction. **YES** 60.6% no 39.4% 5 Senior Property Reduction. yes 41.8% **NO** 58.2% 6 Repeal of Fuel Tax Approved by Voters. yes 44.7% **NO** 55.3% 7 Change Daylight Saving Time Period. **YES** 59.9% no 40.1% 8 Regulates Kidney Dialysis Treatment Charges. yes 38.4% **NO** 61.6% 10 Rental Control on Residential Property. yes 38.3% **NO** 61.7% 11 Emergency Ambulance Employees on-call. **YES** 60.5% no 39.5% 12 Farm Animals Confinement Standards. **YES** 61.0% no 39.0% [California State Ballot Measures–Statewide Results](https://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/71 "2018-11-07T14:40:38Z")
Sorry, one final comment. This looks like first time all the issues went the same way I voted. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/72 "2018-11-07T15:17:01Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Sorry, one final comment. This looks like first time all the issues went the same way I voted. You sheep you. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/73 "2018-11-07T16:01:43Z")
Thanks again, **Pleonast**! Can you update this thread when the final results do come in? I never seem to hear about it and I’m just left wondering. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/74 "2018-11-07T19:48:31Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Current results, with 728 of 24,312 precincts not having reported anything. Final results aren’t expected until early December. > > 1 Bonds to Fund Veteran & Affordable Housing. **YES** 54.1% no 45.9% > 2 Amend Existing Housing Program for Mental Illness. **YES** 61.2% no 38.8% > 3 Bond for Water and Environmental Projects. yes 47.6% **NO** 52.4% > 4 Bond for Children’s Hospital Construction. **YES** 60.6% no 39.4% > 5 Senior Property Reduction. yes 41.8% **NO** 58.2% > 6 Repeal of Fuel Tax Approved by Voters. yes 44.7% **NO** 55.3% > 7 Change Daylight Saving Time Period. **YES** 59.9% no 40.1% > 8 Regulates Kidney Dialysis Treatment Charges. yes 38.4% **NO** 61.6% > 10 Rental Control on Residential Property. yes 38.3% **NO** 61.7% > 11 Emergency Ambulance Employees on-call. **YES** 60.5% no 39.5% > 12 Farm Animals Confinement Standards. **YES** 61.0% no 39.0% > > [California State Ballot Measures–Statewide Results](https://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures) Big Money won on the very bad Props 10 & 11. But Prop 6 failed, which is great… kinda. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/75 "2018-11-07T21:01:08Z")
1/2 the props went my way. So yay-ish? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/76 "2018-12-11T16:06:58Z")
The final results: 1 Bonds to Fund Veteran & Affordable Housing. **YES** 56.2% no 43.8% 2 Amend Existing Housing Program for Mental Illness. **YES** 63.4% no 36.6% 3 Bond for Water and Environmental Projects. yes 49.3% **NO** 50.7% 4 Bond for Children’s Hospital Construction. **YES** 62.7% no 37.3% 5 Senior Property Reduction. yes 40.2% **NO** 59.8% 6 Repeal of Fuel Tax Approved by Voters. yes 43.2% **NO** 56.8% 7 Change Daylight Saving Time Period. **YES** 59.7% no 40.3% 8 Regulates Kidney Dialysis Treatment Charges. yes 40.1% **NO** 59.9% 10 Rental Control on Residential Property. yes 40.6% **NO** 59.4% 11 Emergency Ambulance Employees on-call. **YES** 59.6% no 40.4% 12 Farm Animals Confinement Standards. **YES** 62.7% no 37.3% ---
**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808/77 "2018-12-11T22:59:31Z")
Thanks again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2018/822808.md?page=3)