# California Propositions 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 8, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927 "2022-10-08T01:25:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927/81 "2022-11-10T00:57:33Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Good. I hope it costs some people at those companies their jobs, and I hope the backers of those props vow to never flush their money in California again. I wish there was a way to make the backers of these loser props to reimburse the public for all this wasted time. The dialysis prop got slaughtered for the _third time_ now. And it would not shock me if they simply keep trying. I think **suranyi** above is right in that the point isn’t to win, it’s just to force the clinics to fight it. But everyone else pays a cost, too. ---
**Author:** ![Karen\_Lingel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karen_lingel/32/18649_2.png) [@Karen\_Lingel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karen_Lingel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927/82 "2022-11-10T02:00:51Z")
And when does the “Recall Newsom” campaign get started? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927/83 "2022-11-10T19:31:16Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > I wish there was a way to make the backers of these loser props to reimburse the public for all this wasted time. The dialysis prop got slaughtered for the _third time_ now. And it would not shock me if they simply keep trying. I think **suranyi** above is right in that the point isn’t to win, it’s just to force the clinics to fight it. But everyone else pays a cost, too. Look on the bright side - they are subsidizing local TV. The people who run the eternal dialysis campaign should have their kidneys ripped out, and then see how they feel about it. I think 30 didn’t go the way I voted (I forget) but I was so on the fence about that one that it didn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927/84 "2022-11-10T20:49:41Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > but I was so on the fence about that one that it didn’t matter. That and the arts funding were the only edge cases for me, and I just happened to “get lucky” in that the results match how I’d been feeling that day. I wouldn’t have been put out had it gone the other way, but it was nice to finally have a sweep. There have been years where it was nearly the reverse. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927/85 "2022-11-11T20:35:48Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > That and the arts funding were the only edge cases for me, and I just happened to “get lucky” in that the results match how I’d been feeling that day. Yeah. I voted NO on 28, as I don’t like school budgets forced. But the idea was good. I voted Yes on 30 as it would tax the rich and get more EVs, but it mostly benefited one Ride company. So, those two went opposite the way I voted, but I was going back and forth on both. The end result is good. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2022, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927/86 "2022-11-11T23:33:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I voted Yes on 30 as it would tax the rich and get more EVs, but it mostly benefited one Ride company. That’s not quite true. Lyft did put money into the proposition, but only after it was already defined. Why would it benefit them more than Uber? And the money would go to the drivers, not the company. As it turns out I’m glad it failed since it would have subsidized Tesla purchases, and at the moment I think all liberals and people of high moral values should boycott Tesla and Musk. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927/87 "2022-11-12T00:11:36Z")
What a strange take. Oppose an obvious good (promotion of EVs) because it would have indirectly benefitted someone you don’t like? I mean, I opposed Prop 30 as well, but it wasn’t because Volkswagen (who _killed_ hundreds of people with their lies about emissions) would have benefitted. The climate crisis is like a million times as important as this small-stakes stuff. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927/88 "2022-11-12T00:30:49Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > That’s not quite true. Lyft did put money into the proposition, but only after it was already defi You are correct, I wasn’t being clear. > [@Voyager](#): > > As it turns out I’m glad it failed since it would have subsidized Tesla purchases, and at the moment I think all liberals and people of high moral values should boycott Tesla and Musk. Not the best of reasons, since there are many other EV makers. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927/89 "2022-11-13T19:42:05Z")
I’m all for EVs (not for me, since I don’t drive enough to make them worth it for me) but I’m all for subsidizing them when there are lots available from responsible companies. I might have a skewed view since I live in the town with the Tesla plant, and there is at least one Tesla on every block around me. They are almost as ubiquitous as the Prius used to be. I did own one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927/90 "2022-11-14T08:56:14Z")
Those responsible automakers that have been lying about the reality of climate change for decades now? The ones that cheated on diesel emissions testing and killed hundreds? The ones that have been lying about the practicality of EVs for many years, continue to underinvest in a transition, and in some cases actively sabotaged their own internal EV programs? The responsible automakers that in some cases are _still_ pushing for fossil fuels via hybrids and hydrogen? The responsible ones that have been lobbying to water down emissions requirements and making campaign donations to keep friendly politicians in power, ensuring that they can continue selling their suburban assault vehicles due to them being classified as light trucks? The ones that have influenced the nature of the emissions testing itself, such that they dramatically underreport the actual real-world emissions? Are _those_ the extremely responsible automakers you’re talking about? And that’s just, like, the really recent stuff. Go back a little further and it gets _much_ worse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-propositions-2022/972927.md?page=4)