# California Schools not allowed to ban students, your opinion?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-schools-not-allowed-to-ban-students-your-opinion/840011>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [September 10, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-schools-not-allowed-to-ban-students-your-opinion/840011 "2019-09-10T21:38:41Z")\
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**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-schools-not-allowed-to-ban-students-your-opinion/840011/201 "2019-09-16T13:21:28Z")

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What ever happened to that [kid that punched a teacher](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZOJH7LO6R8)?

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-schools-not-allowed-to-ban-students-your-opinion/840011/202 "2019-09-16T15:27:56Z")

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> [@Saint\_Cad](#):
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> What ever happened to that [kid that punched a teacher](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZOJH7LO6R8)?

It’s decidedly, and by federal law, none of our business. But I hope that he got some pretty intense intervention to help him control himself.

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**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/california-schools-not-allowed-to-ban-students-your-opinion/840011/203 "2019-09-16T17:11:28Z")

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> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> Overwhelmingly, the differences in school achievement levels are correlated with socioeconomics, not with management styles. North Carolina is a great laboratory for this: since we’re one of the few states that gives letter grades to schools based (80%) on achievement levels, [you can see the overwhelming correlation between wealth and achievement](https://www.ncforum.org/yes-a-still-stands-for-affluent-in-nc-school-performance-grades/).
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> Nothing has radicalized me as much as paying attention to these education statistics.

Me too, but perhaps not in the same way. It is the patent unfairness of giving teachers and school administrators letter grades (or pass/fail grades) based on the test scores of their population, regardless of how uncannily well those correlate with the scores of matched populations around the country, and how poorly a variety of interventions has done in making a dent in those scores, that has set me completely against the trendy school reform/“Waiting for Superman” crowd.

Although maybe it’s not trendy anymore. It’s been almost six years since I started beating this drum in Great Debates, and it was hardly a brand new thing then:

> **[Inner city schools are not failing their students](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=706556)**
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> Jumping off from the IQ thread: it is my assertion that the movie Waiting for Superman is rubbish, as are the standards of No Child Left Behind. I believe that no matter what they do in terms of closing schools down, reopening them as charters,...

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