# Call a spade, a spade, and a liar, a liar. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258 "2019-08-06T17:36:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/21 "2019-08-06T23:55:41Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > “If we can’t completely stop something, then we might as well not do anything.” > > -Average gun control opponent Glad you clarified that was said by a gun control opponent, because it certainly doesn’t apply to the average right winger as it pertains to brown people seeking shelter in this country as is their legal right. In that case, they loooove doing I neffective but obscene things. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/22 "2019-08-07T01:08:34Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > Plus, there’s [these](https://all3dp.com/1/3d-printed-gun-firearm-weapon-parts/), which I imagine would spawn a new movement of ammo control, ushering in a new wave of [these](https://taskandpurpose.com/ammo-expensive-heres-make). Well, it’s a start: [New York has banned the manufacture, sale or possession of 3D-printed guns](https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/07/30/new-york-3d-printed-guns-safe-firearm-storage/) last week. > [@begbert2](#): > > And I’m betting that the number of people who would do that would be negligible. Definitely not the surest bet I’ve heard of. And even if it would ultimately turn out to be just a handful - still ominously shitty. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I just bought one of these a couple of days ago: [Make Lying Wrong Again](https://smile.amazon.com/Lying-Resist-Racism-Anti-Trump-T-Shirt/dp/B07V8884GJ/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_5?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=FXTCYSP27KAV37G78GHF&customId=B07537PB3M&th=1&psc=1) shirt. Got an annoying “this item can’t be shipped to this address” message.☹ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/23 "2019-08-07T12:46:33Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > 100% agree. > > The only way gun control “can’t” work is if you start with the assumption that gun control won’t actually limit guns. It’s at best an unimaginative view of the possibilities, and much more likely an intentional framing of the issue designed to close off options distasteful to **DrDeth** and others. **DrDeth** is an idiot. I can’t stand to see his posts, even on issues where we agree. I’ve only got three Dopers blocked, and he’s one of them. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/24 "2019-08-07T13:24:56Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > Well, at least if we did ban guns, we would prove how delusional these gun loving twats are when they rave about how they need their guns in case they need to bring down the government. > > One of these folks tried to tell me that a backwoods ragged army once brought down the mightiest European power so that a new nation could become independent. So obviously it could happen again. > > I answered, “Oh yeah? Is France going to come in as an ally this time too?” > > He just glared at me. If they want guns to bring down an out of control government, they should have started about 2 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Bumbershoot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbershoot/32/3428_2.png) [@Bumbershoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbershoot)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/25 "2019-08-07T13:27:20Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I just bought one of these a couple of days ago: [Make Lying Wrong Again](https://smile.amazon.com/Lying-Resist-Racism-Anti-Trump-T-Shirt/dp/B07V8884GJ/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_5?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=FXTCYSP27KAV37G78GHF&customId=B07537PB3M&th=1&psc=1) shirt. > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Got an annoying “this item can’t be shipped to this address” message.☹ I just ordered one without a problem (Thanks for the link, Bo). Were you shipping to a P O box or something like that? Maybe they have certain shipping restrictions. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/26 "2019-08-07T13:54:52Z")
I hope it isn’t because I’m one them varmint Canadians. (ah yes - just saw another bothersome message saying “This item does not ship to Victoria, Canada”) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/27 "2019-08-07T15:23:32Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > I hope it isn’t because I’m one them varmint Canadians. Oh fuck, buddy, eh. There’s more of you around here than you can throw a snowball at. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/28 "2019-08-07T15:25:25Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > **DrDeth** is an idiot. I can’t stand to see his posts, even on issues where we agree. I’ve only got three Dopers blocked, and he’s one of them. yep. He’s a willfully ignorant cunt. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/29 "2019-08-07T15:42:56Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I don’t believe this for one single instant, unless you True Scotsman “gun enthusiasts” so hard that they’re a negligible percentage of the population. > **[Inside the World of D.I.Y. Ammunition (Published 2018)](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/us/3d-printed-guns-homemade-ammunition.html)** > > Millions of weapons aficionados reload their own ammunition and cast their own bullets, acts of individualism that are hallmarks of the broader American gun ethos. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/30 "2019-08-07T18:10:22Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > I wouldn’t consider the ironically named DrDeth’s opinion to be a lie, or even a falsehood. **The human animal will do what ever it takes to sate their impulses, regardless of law or regulation.** The US’s one and a quarter million violent felonies each year tend to bear that out. In a thread that literally starts out “Stop lying. Stop with the fucking lies”, you post that bullshit? The vast majority of people are too fucking lazy to do anything as complicated as learning how to manufacture their own guns&ammo. If they can’t drive to the store and buy it, they’ll just do without. How many people grow their own marijuana? How many cook their own meth? Almost none, and the information on how to do both those things is at least as easy to find as how to make guns and ammo. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/31 "2019-08-07T18:45:37Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/us/3d-printed-guns-homemade-ammunition.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/us/3d-printed-guns-homemade-ammunition.html) So, that looks like a pretty small minority of gun owners to me, though to be fair, I could only read down to where they said “millions” before it kicked me out for the paywall. There are hundreds of millions of gun owners. What percentage of gun owners load their own ammo, do you think? What is the difference between a gun owner, and a gun enthusiast, in your opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/32 "2019-08-07T19:15:29Z")
I’m just impressed that a thread with a racial epithet in the title can stick around this long. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/33 "2019-08-07T19:19:25Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I’m just impressed that a thread with a racial epithet in the title can stick around this long. > **[Call a spade a spade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_a_spade_a_spade)** > > "Call a spade a spade" is a figurative expression. It refers to calling something "as it is"—that is, by its right or proper name, without "beating about the bush", but rather speaking truthfully, frankly, and directly about a topic, even to the point of bluntness or rudeness, and even if the subject is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant. > The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542 in Nicolas Udal... ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/34 "2019-08-07T19:57:57Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I’m just impressed that a thread with a racial epithet in the title can stick around this long. You must think gardeners and card-players are monsters. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/35 "2019-08-07T20:11:04Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I’m just impressed that a thread with a racial epithet in the title can stick around this long. What I hate about the internet is that I can never tell if this is sincere ignorance or deliberate trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/36 "2019-08-07T21:29:54Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, that looks like a pretty small minority of gun owners to me, though to be fair, I could only read down to where they said “millions” before it kicked me out for the paywall. There are _ **hundreds of millions of gun owners** _. What percentage of gun owners load their own ammo, do you think? > > What is the difference between a gun owner, and a gun enthusiast, in your opinion? You believe that over 2/3 of the country are gun owners? You might want to do a bit of research, instead of spouting off stats you think you heard on the news. You start taking away ammo, from gun owners the number of gun owners that start doing their own reloading will swell. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/37 "2019-08-07T21:41:46Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > You believe that over 2/3 of the country are gun owners? > > You might want to do a bit of research, instead of spouting off stats you think you heard on the news. > > You start taking away ammo, from gun owners the number of gun owners that start doing their own reloading will swell. Given the training and expertise of a majority of gun owners, that could prove to be [Artie Johnson]verrrry interesting…but shtupid.[/AJ] ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/38 "2019-08-07T22:03:50Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > You start taking away ammo, from gun owners the number of gun owners that start doing their own reloading will swell. Swelling from 1% to 3% is a 200% increase!! Panic, I say! Panic! I’ll tell you a little secret: I’m an optimist. I’m going to assume that the bulk of people who roll their own bullets are not petty criminals or psychotic fucks. Okay, admittedly, you have to be a little bit insane to do that, especially nowadays, but I suspect it’s mostly limited to serious hobbyists. Of which only, oh, half of which are actually evil monsters desperate to murder people. At a guess, I mean. So while I freely admit that it wouldn’t utterly eliminate the problem of criminals and deranged psychopaths murdering people with their guns, putting strict controls on ammo should probably make a rather significant dent. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/39 "2019-08-07T22:58:02Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/us/3d-printed-guns-homemade-ammunition.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/us/3d-printed-guns-homemade-ammunition.html) Did you bother to read your own cite? > [@](#): > > About five million out of roughly 43 million hunters and sport shooters in the United States make their own bullets and shells, according to reloading companies. So about 1 in 9. Not quite a majority. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258/40 "2019-08-08T00:21:48Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > You believe that over 2/3 of the country are gun owners? > > You might want to do a bit of research, instead of spouting off stats you think you heard on the news. > > You start taking away ammo, from gun owners the number of gun owners that start doing their own reloading will swell. Not to mention that it doesn’t go bad. Neither do guns, really, but we have to start somewhere. It needs to start with guns. I’m the odd moderate perhaps. I own 12 guns. All inherited in one way or another. Haven’t shot in a while. I do enjoy target shooting so I purchased a very high quality air rifle. $600. The specialized air compressor for it (3000psi) ran another $600. It’s very, very quiet. I have no neighbors, but don’t want shots to echo around the valley. I can hear the guys sighting in their rifles from a mile away. I can put holes in paper from our deck while my wife doesn’t even hear it inside. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/call-a-spade-a-spade-and-a-liar-a-liar/838258.md?page=3)