# Calling all digital photographers -- need software advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 7, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002 "2010-02-07T05:12:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/1 "2010-02-07T05:12:38Z")
I’m getting my first PC with Windows 7 as the OS. For years I’ve used and loved ACDSee for photo editing, and am currently running Photo Manager 2009 on my XP machines. It appears from online research that ACDSee hasn’t yet made its software truly compatible with Windows 7 – sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, according to comments in various forums. I suppose I could wait for ACDSee to get their Photo Manager 2010 out, but who knows how long that will take? Meanwhile, one purpose for getting the new computer is to migrate much of what I do on my current main PC with XP over there, to work in parallel with and eventually in place of the old system, when I feel comfortable with making a wholesale switch to Windows 7. I don’t want to have to wait Og knows how long to get photo editing software up and running. So, if I’m going to get a different photo editing software, what should it be? It needs to be intuitively easy to use for editing and printing; organization and sharing features aren’t as important to me, and I don’t do video work. The tools I use most often in ACDSee are crop, shadows/highlights, sharpen, straighten, repair, and resize. I don’t do a lot of techno-tricks with my images, or overlaying of text. A quick and easy watermarking tool would be nice. I do have a suit of software that came with my Canon Rebel XTi that I could try, although I got it almost a year ago, so it’s probably not Windows 7 compatible out of the box. Also, I tried editing with it and quickly said the heck with it; too complicated and hard to figure out, even reading the instructions. A couple I’ve been reading about online are Picasa and Serif PhotoPlus. There’s always Adobe Photoshop, of course, though I was under the (erroneous?) impression that it’s not as easy to use as other softwares. There’s a whole lot more out there, and I don’t know which would be a good choice. Suggestions? Experiences? Warnings to run like hell? Help, please! ---
**Author:** ![postcards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@postcards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postcards)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/2 "2010-02-07T05:17:01Z")
Adobe Photoshop Elements. More than you’ll ever use, but just what you need. The latest version should be Win7 compatible. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/3 "2010-02-07T05:55:20Z")
My rule: Always get more than what you think you’ll ever use. You’ll wind up using it all. I have the “full” Photoshop. I don’t know what’s missing in Elements, but I know it wouldn’t be enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/4 "2010-02-07T06:00:17Z")
Considering the price difference, Elements is surprisingly close to ‘full’ photoshop. It will easily cover everything the OP listed with plenty of room to grow. If you’re not a professional photographer or graphic artist, you’re unlikely to miss anything. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/5 "2010-02-07T06:45:33Z")
Give Adobe Lightroom a shot (I think they have free trials available on their website.) I do photography professionally, and 90% of my workflow is in Lightroom, and the serious manipulation goes on in Photoshop. Given the types of adjustments you do, I think this would be the best option for you. If you’re dealing with a large volume of images, this is the ideal starting point. ---
**Author:** ![Markxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/6 "2010-02-07T06:59:54Z")
If you’re just looking to sharpen, change colors, put some filters and effects on photos the best program by far is [XNView](http://www.xnview.com/en/download.html). It’s free and I’ve rarely had to use other programs ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/7 "2010-02-07T07:32:22Z")
I have “full” Photoshop. I’ve never been formally trained on it, and it is DAMN non-intuitive. I can usually figure it out, but I can’t recommend it as “easy to use.” Powerful, yes, but not easy to learn. By the by, if you must use Photoshop, get a book by Scott Kelby. He is so good and explaining things, he makes it \*almost \*seem easy. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/8 "2010-02-07T07:48:00Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > I have “full” Photoshop. I’ve never been formally trained on it, and it is DAMN non-intuitive. I can usually figure it out, but I can’t recommend it as “easy to use.” Powerful, yes, but not easy to learn. > > By the by, if you must use Photoshop, get a book by Scott Kelby. He is so good and explaining things, he makes it \*almost \*seem easy. I second the Kelby recommendation. He’s a fantastic teacher. When you get more advanced, Seth Resnick and (the somewhat controversial) Dan Margulis are worth checking out for more in-depth Photoshop and printing geekery. I think Photoshop is pretty intuitive, but I’ve been with it since 2.0, so I really don’t know of any other way of thinking about how to manipulate my images. ---
**Author:** ![Fritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c57346/32.png) [@Fritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fritz)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/9 "2010-02-07T13:18:11Z")
I have Photoshop CS3 which I am still learning, but for simple and fast stuff like crop, shadows/highlights, sharpen, straighten, repair, and resize I use PhotoImpact. The Version 6 that I have was originally free with a flatbed scanner that I purchased, and a quick search shows that Version 8 may be free as well. Very easy to use. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/10 "2010-02-07T15:35:23Z")
Thanks for all the replies so far – they’ve given me pointers to investigate. Any thoughts on GIMP? It’s freeware, it’s described as both powerful and easy to use, and I think I’ve seen people here speak highly of it before. And Corel’s PaintShop Pro? ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/11 "2010-02-07T15:40:04Z")
GIMP is free, as you have pointed, and ‘free’ is very hard to disagree with or be disappointed by. It works, it’s useful and it enables you to do pretty well everything you can do in something like Photoshop Elements. So try it, see if it’s adequate for your needs. If not, then you can think about moving on to something else. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/12 "2010-02-07T15:43:46Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Thanks for all the replies so far – they’ve given me pointers to investigate. > > Any thoughts on GIMP? It’s freeware, it’s described as both powerful and easy to use, and I think I’ve seen people here speak highly of it before. I use the GIMP for the same things as the OP-just adjusting photos plus occasional image creation. I find it easy for basic uses such as the OP needs, dabbled with more complex stuff, mostly just poking around. The help files are a separate download, make sure you get them. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/13 "2010-02-07T15:51:11Z")
> [@Fritz](#): > > I have Photoshop CS3 which I am still learning, but for simple and fast stuff like crop, shadows/highlights, sharpen, straighten, repair, and resize I use PhotoImpact. The Version 6 that I have was originally free with a flatbed scanner that I purchased, and a quick search shows that Version 8 may be free as well. > > Very easy to use. Darn it, I looked into Ulead’s PhotoImpact and got all excited about it – sounds like just what I need, all right – and then checked compatibility. Doesn’t have a Windows 7 version out yet. Bummer. Corel Paint Shop Pro x3 is compatible, though. ---
**Author:** ![Fritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c57346/32.png) [@Fritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fritz)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/14 "2010-02-07T15:54:31Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Darn it, I looked into Ulead’s PhotoImpact and got all excited about it – sounds like just what I need, all right – and then checked compatibility. Doesn’t have a Windows 7 version out yet. Bummer. Oops - sorry. I’m still on XP… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/15 "2010-02-07T16:19:12Z")
Just to give you all an idea of what I do: Editing for me is primarily a way to tighten up, enhance, and balance the given image rather than use it as a springboard for creative expansion. For example, this beach scene doesn’t look all that different between what [came out of the camera](http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2393104350000735275OrYSSN) and the [edited final version.](http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2072008670000735275aRXGIR) Moving a bit farther along the editing spectrum, there’s this horse portrait, which [started out](http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2175196720000735275vTLRcp) dull and cluttered and wound up [like this.](http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2063804030000735275vKCCHo) A lucky shot of a redtail hawk went from [portrait this](http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2488960610000735275NgLqhI) to [landscape this.](http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2342266770000735275VNWXaQ) And while the [original here](http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2939339200000735275iaDYPK) was a nice enough shot, I think [the edited version](http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2652884780000735275YfZzni) has a lot more oomph. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/16 "2010-02-07T16:26:06Z")
Adobe Lightroom is certainly worth a look - they’re adding more and more Photoshop functionality to it, and it’s great for sorting and organizing. I use Photoshop, but I do a lot of other work in it; not just photo manipulation. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/17 "2010-02-07T18:10:02Z")
I am a heavy professional user of Photoshop and and almost exclusively use Lightroom at home. Not only do I think it’s better at general purpose editing of photos, it’s an excellent library management tool as well, which is something that Photoshop doesn’t do at all. ---
**Author:** ![chrissi1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@chrissi1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrissi1)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/18 "2010-02-08T17:01:37Z")
As an ambassador for ACDSee and a user myself, I just want to let you all know that the next version of ACDSee Photo Manager 12, due out this spring, will be Windows 7 compatible. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/19 "2010-02-08T17:26:07Z")
I second the recommendation for Photoshop Elements. I have the full version of Photoshop as I have been using it for years - yeah it has a learning curve but it’s more oriented toward professionals and thus has a very wide range of features, but that’s not what you need. Elements is a pared down version which is still powerful software but much cheaper, easier to use, and has built-in organizing tools that are very helpful (lets you drag and drop various tags to photos to categorize them, for example). It’s what I used before I got the full Photoshop. I have tried Corel PhotoPaint as well and didn’t like it as much, it was a while ago so I couldn’t really articulate why as I don’t remember. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002/20 "2010-02-08T17:40:54Z")
> [@chrissi1](#): > > As an ambassador for ACDSee and a user myself, I just want to let you all know that the next version of ACDSee Photo Manager 12, due out this spring, will be Windows 7 compatible. That’s all well and good, but how long from now is “this spring”? I need photo-editing software now, not in two or three more months. Believe me, if I could use ACDSee on the new computer, I would, because I like it very much. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-digital-photographers-need-software-advice/528002.md?page=2)