# Calling all Great Minds: The Theory of Everything **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 13, 2012, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862 "2012-11-13T06:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Fatalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ccd318/32.png) [@Fatalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fatalis)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/101 "2012-11-14T17:47:48Z")
I still wanna know more about living inside of the sun. Maybe this guy has solved the global warming debate. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/102 "2012-11-14T17:51:51Z")
It’s not true that we only ever see the outside surface of things. Glassfish, marbles, frogspawn, jellyfish, drinking tumblers, bottles, grapes - with all of these things, and many more, the insides can be seen, and are quite mundane and non-magical. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/103 "2012-11-14T17:52:04Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I just felt that we need to pull this statement out for a full examination. It takes 42 minutes to cross infinity. 42 minutes. Infinity. It takes 42 minutes to cross infinity. > > That was actually written and submitted. Not all infinities [are the same size](http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/9269/title/Math_Trek__Small_Infinity,_Big_Infinity). Perhaps **Anthem (0)** found a particularly small one. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/104 "2012-11-14T17:53:07Z")
> [@Fatalis](#): > > I still wanna know more about living inside of the sun. Maybe this guy has solved the global warming debate. I think that this is either going to involve a new definition of where the sun begins and ends, or more of his IN/OUT mumbo-jumbo, which may two ways of saying the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/105 "2012-11-14T17:54:40Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I just felt that we need to pull this statement out for a full examination. It takes 42 minutes to cross infinity. 42 minutes. Infinity. It takes 42 minutes to cross infinity. > > That was actually written and submitted. > > Why is anyone expecting coherence from this guy again? If you’re used to an area that doesn’t have carpool lanes it can feel like you never arrive. But in areas with carpool lanes, 42 is generally how long it takes. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/106 "2012-11-14T18:02:24Z")
> [@RaftPeople](#): > > If you’re used to an area that doesn’t have carpool lanes it can feel like you never arrive. But in areas with carpool lanes, 42 is generally how long it takes. If you go on foot, 42 is also the number of roads you must walk down. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/107 "2012-11-14T18:08:18Z")
per wiki: In 1966, mathematician Paul Cooper theorized that the fastest, most efficient way to travel across continents would be to bore a straight hollow tube directly through the Earth, connecting a set of antipodes, evacuate it (remove the air), and then just fall through.[6] The first half of the journey consists of free-fall acceleration, while the second half consists of an exactly equal deceleration. The time for such a journey works out to be 42 minutes. Remarkably, even if the tube does not pass through the exact center of the Earth, the time for a journey powered entirely by gravity (also known as Gravity train) always works out to be 42 minutes, as long as the tube remains friction-free, as while gravity’s force would be lessened, so would the distance traveled at an equal rate.[7][8] ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/108 "2012-11-14T18:29:25Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > per wiki: > > In 1966, mathematician Paul Cooper theorized that the fastest, most efficient way to travel across continents would be to bore a straight hollow tube directly through the Earth, connecting a set of antipodes, evacuate it (remove the air), and then just fall through.[6] The first half of the journey consists of free-fall acceleration, while the second half consists of an exactly equal deceleration. The time for such a journey works out to be 42 minutes. Remarkably, even if the tube does not pass through the exact center of the Earth, the time for a journey powered entirely by gravity (also known as Gravity train) always works out to be 42 minutes, as long as the tube remains friction-free, as while gravity’s force would be lessened, so would the distance traveled at an equal rate.[7][8] Passenger, meet coriolis force. Face, meet wall. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/109 "2012-11-14T18:41:10Z")
> [@Fatalis](#): > > I still wanna know more about living inside of the sun. Maybe this guy has solved the global warming debate. Electric sun people and overly pedantic jackasses assert that the sun extends to the heliopause. Basically, for lack of a better description, that the solar wind constitutes an “atmosphere”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truculent\_Gentleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eb8c5e/32.png) [@The\_Truculent\_Gentleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truculent_Gentleman)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/110 "2012-11-14T18:41:17Z")
> [@](#): > > **Anthem (0)**-what do you mean by “this timeline”, and where/when are you from? I’m strangely excited for this answer and hoping **Anthem (0)** does not disappear. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/111 "2012-11-14T18:49:22Z")
> [@Anthem\_0](#): > > It’s not that I have to invent my own theories because I don’t understand the extant theories…it’s that I have to invent my own theories because _there ARE no extant theories on these subjects_. And because I do understand the extant theories of particle physics (and I’ve worked very hard for a very long time from a VERY young age to do so), I also understand where they are deficient. And in understanding that, I’ve learned that physical reality is but an infinitely thin slice of what IS. None of what I’m saying invalidates any part of science, it only places OUR perception into a proper perspective – which is something that science utterly ignores. But by adding this context (our perception), the infinities resolve themselves and reality reveals itself. It truly is beautiful if you take the time to understand it, rather than championing for an extant theory which doesn’t even exist. Ignorance of the extant theories of time, dark matter, dark energy, or the scientific work being done on those areas does not negate their existence. Just as [the Germ Theory of disease](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease) came before microscopes which allowed [Leeuwenhoek](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_van_Leeuwenhoek) to see the microbes, theories of [time](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_physics), [dark matter](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter), and [dark energy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy) are in development and, as per the scientific method, competing hypotheses are being tested to create a theory. This is how science works. Scientific American is the US’s oldest continually published scientific magazine and is quite good at bringing science to the layman. I’d recommend you find a library with a collection and search for articles on time, dark matter, and dark energy. They typically do 3-5 issues a year on those topics. The scientific world is proceeding apace in sussing out the things we don’t yet understand, and doing it with far more rigor and reliability than your approach. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/112 "2012-11-14T18:53:18Z")
> [@The\_Truculent\_Gentleman](#): > > I’m strangely excited for this answer and hoping **Anthem (0)** does not disappear. He is taking a moment to reflect upon the answer. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/113 "2012-11-14T19:05:31Z")
> [@Anthem\_0](#): > > Nutshell: > Let’s assume Spacetime is 4-dimensional. Most people translate this is as we live in three dimensions (up down, left right, forward back) and we move through the fourth, time. It’s better translated as the 4th dimension is IN and OUT, which is the direction microscopes look and the direction telescopes look, respectively. OUT is the composite of surface area which light is able to touch on objects, and IN is the invisible volume known as dark matter. > > **Airtight Visual Empirical Evidence** > **Outer Space is a hall of mirrors.** Outer Space inverts itself at the asteroid belt. This is the point at which all the rocky planets become gas giants with multiple rocky moons. What actually is happening is the asteroid belt represents an infinity, beyond which point the inner solar system inverts and a mirrored inversion of itself is shown. > > Specifically, examine the Jupiter System. The four Galilean Moons lie on the OUT side of Jupiter’s ring system, each of which are exact inversions of celestial bodies in the inner solar system INside of the asteroid belt. Venus is a ball of fire – Io is a frozen ball of fire. Earth is a ball of water – Europa is a frozen ball of water. Earth’s Moon is a ball of rock – Ganymede is a frozen ball of rock. Beyond that is outer space, dark and flecked with stars – Callisto is a frozen ball of outer space. Even the ratio of the sizes of the planets/moons are inverted (the Ganymede is the largest: the Moon is the smallest, etc.) > > _I assure you, this isn’t a coincidence_. Outer Space works off the principle of inversion. I’m not sure why anyone is actually participating in this trainwreck when the OP clearly makes its own nonsense evident. The “examples” given above are a classic case of cherry picking data. Oooooh! Look! We can make up silly comparisons between four of Jupiter’s satellites and various bodies closer to the sun! Of course, to do that, we have to pretend that the earth’s satellite deserves to be included in such a comparison, while Mercury and Mars are ignored, and the fact that Mars, itself, has two satellites is ignored, the other 63 satellites (or 12 satellites depending on where one makes that count) of Jupiter are ignored, the other gaseous planets are ignored, all their dozens of satellites are ignored, the solid rock of Cllisto becomes “frozen. . .outer space” (as if outer space was other than frozen), etc. This is the sort of nonsense that a kid might think about atoms and solar systems “mirroring” each other based on comparing the (incorrect, if common) image of an atom as a series of particles in orbit around a nucleus to planets and other debris in orbit around a star while ignoring the facts that the (incorrect) atomic image has the orbits completly enclosing the nucleus while planetary orbits are always close to a plane. It is just silly. Of course, this thread also bears out the unbending corollary that people with the wierdest hare-brained ideas are also the ones with the biggest and most hostile egos, always “challenging” everyone to prove them wrong while attempting to taunt those who are willing to engage them for not accepting their new revealed truth. It is one more Conspiracy Theory taken to a different level. Madame Blavatsky would be so proud. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/114 "2012-11-14T19:14:12Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I just felt that we need to pull this statement out for a full examination. It takes 42 minutes to cross infinity. 42 minutes. Infinity. It takes 42 minutes to cross infinity. > > That was actually written and submitted. > > Why is anyone expecting coherence from this guy again? I logged in just to reply to this. It’s been established that crossing an aleph-one space at aleph-null speed takes exactly 42 minutes subjective. Ref: The collected works of D. Adams. (However, his work only covered aleph-one space; determining whether this holds for crossing aleph-N space at any speed of aleph-null up to aleph-(N-1) is left as an exercise for the advanced student.) ETA: Forgot about something from page 1. Inverting a dwarf planet across the Kupier belt requires applying the falling giant template. I cordially invite the OP to rebut my assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/115 "2012-11-14T19:21:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > **Anthem (0)**-what do you mean by “this timeline”, and where/when are you from? > > edited to add: The answers to these questions are the keys to understanding what he is talking about, folks. Yeah, I tried that tact. OP is a large green creature, from the TR-011 dimension, methinks. No other possible reason to drop “your timeline” style references, other than trying to be cute. And yeah, depending on how he acts in meatspace, I am tending to agree with the schizoid personality diagnosis. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![James52637](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@James52637](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James52637)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/116 "2012-11-14T19:32:10Z")
Anthem, some of your points weren’t clear. You used terminology that didn’t make much sense. You had some good points, and I understand and find your suggestion that we see in only 2 dimensions thought provoking and well thought out. BUT! You CANNOT be as derogatory you have been! No one will ever even think about agreeing with you if you continue to be as conceited and vulgar as you have been. Argue your opinions with logic, not vulgarity. Thanks, James. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/117 "2012-11-14T19:33:17Z")
> [@Fatalis](#): > > I still wanna know more about living inside of the sun. Maybe this guy has solved the global warming debate. I hate to admit it, but I think I know what the OP means to say. We live in the sun’s fifth dimension, if I have his terminology right. So we’re an orbiting body around the sun the way that Ganymede is an orbiting body of Jupiter. In fact, we’re the analogue planet of Ganymede. If you and I loved on Ganymede, we would see Jupiter as our sun and the actual Sun would appear to us as a gas giant “planet” and the Earth as a moon around it, because of the inversion that happens at the asteroid belt. What do you think **Anthem (0)**, do I have it all figured out? P.S. None of the above is to be construed as agreement, Anthem’s off his meds. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/118 "2012-11-14T19:38:50Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > I hate to admit it, but I think I know what the OP means to say. We live in the sun’s fifth dimension, if I have his terminology right. So we’re an orbiting body around the sun the way that Ganymede is an orbiting body of Jupiter. In fact, we’re the analogue planet of Ganymede. > > If you and I loved on Ganymede, we would see Jupiter as our sun and the actual Sun would appear to us as a gas giant “planet” and the Earth as a moon around it, because of the inversion that happens at the asteroid belt. > > What do you think **Anthem (0)**, do I have it all figured out? > P.S. None of the above is to be construed as agreement, Anthem’s off his meds. I love on Earth exclusively and it appears that everything revolves around the earth. What’s the inversion? ---
**Author:** ![James52637](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@James52637](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James52637)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/119 "2012-11-14T19:40:23Z")
I feel like no matter how you explain it, how correct and on point you explain it, Anthem will change his meaning so he can feel superior. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/120 "2012-11-14T19:42:15Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > I love on Earth exclusively and it appears that everything revolves around the earth. What’s the inversion? Huh? Note to mods, this thing should be in MPSIMS [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862.md?page=7)