# calling bibliophage to the mat **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2001, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830 "2001-11-01T01:11:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/1 "2001-11-01T01:11:24Z")
in this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1775467#post1775467](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1775467#post1775467) bibliophage has rightly pointed out that my statement : > [@](#): > > it is sickening that you can’t ask a racial question w/o all the anti-racist jumping on you (who IMHO are racists themselves)- hey it’s a fact of life that everyone’s different - get over it. belongs in the pit - he was correct - I have no problem with that and issued an apology.: > [@](#): > > My apologies bibliophage for the rant. I didn’t/don’t expect an acknolegment. But then I started getting slammed pit style with: > [@](#): > > Really, these questions have been done to death for those with an open mind. and > [@](#): > > Anyone who’s taken the trouble to get up off their fat butt and look at data rather than presuppositions _btw my butt is not ‘fat’ but is rather firm and a nice looking one at that_ 🙂 and > [@](#): > > I’d rather see apologies for aggressive and inexcusable ignorance. > > Come back when you show the slightest signs of having done the basic homeowork. and some others To me these are much more pit items then my side rant while I comment about the OP. So what’s the deal bibliophage - why do I get a warning while others attacking me personally don’t. I don’t want a warning posted against the people attacked me - I want to know why you chose to give me a warning but not them. I have my assumptions but would like to hear your side. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/2 "2001-11-01T03:29:03Z")
Eh, Dave, I think that thread is just one of those threads where you just have to chalk it all up to a “learning experience” and move on. ☹ Besides, so far, Bib hasn’t generally been accepting invitations to the Pit. And, ya know, it didn’t sound like an official mod “warning” warning to me, just a sort of “um…” Don’t take it to heart, Dave, is what I’m saying. Suck it up, move on. I’ve had “those” kind of threads happen to me, too. :rolleyes: ☹ And–you knew I was gonna say it–maybe next time you could just e-mail him? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Demo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demo/32/8472_2.png) [@Demo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Demo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/3 "2001-11-01T03:40:17Z")
I just have a comment about people advising others to e-mail mods instead of bringing it up publicly, since it seems to happen pretty often. That’s all well and good in a lot of circumstances, but I think Dave has a legit board-related complaint and inquiry that _should_ be dealt with publicly, on the board. That _is_ the original purpose of the Pit, anyway. > [@](#): > > This is the place for all complaints and other discussion regarding administration of the SDMB. FWIW, it looked like **Bibliophage** was responding to Dave as if he had not only a problem with the post, but a personal beef with him, especially after Dave had apologized. Just MHO. ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/4 "2001-11-01T03:45:44Z")
It looks to me like **biblio** didn’t need to respond at all after **k2dave** apologized. Because he apologized. \*Take that “ **N** ” for the negative, turn it into “ **P** ” for the positive, And “ **P** ” on the bastards Who insulted you\* Not **bibliophage**. He just stamps around on the fires. You got people talking shit to you? Fuck 'em up! Right here! That’s what it’s here for! You just had your subjects mixed up, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/5 "2001-11-01T03:52:32Z")
> [@](#): > > That is the original purpose of the Pit, anyway. Wrong. The original purpose of the Pit was a place to put flames so they didn’t disrupt the flow of other threads. The stuff about the administration was added relatively recently because I don’t think there’s ever been a thread questioning the administration that didn’t turn into flames eventually, so they cut it off at the pass. –John ---
**Author:** ![brachyrhynchos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brachyrhynchos/32/376_2.png) [@brachyrhynchos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brachyrhynchos)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/6 "2001-11-01T04:36:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by k2dave \* > …To me these are much more pit items then my side rant while I comment about the OP. So what’s the deal bibliophage - why do I get a warning while others attacking me personally don’t. I don’t want a warning posted against the people attacked me - I want to know why you chose to give me a warning but not them… Perhaps he has not yet seen the other comments? Just a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/7 "2001-11-01T04:41:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Demo \* > \*\*FWIW, it looked like **Bibliophage** was responding to Dave as if he had not only a problem with the post, but a personal beef with him, especially after Dave had apologized. > > \*\* In an admittedly fast scan of the thread I only see where **bib** posted once. **k2Dave** posted his rant about being sickened at 7:13 and **bib** responded with a very brief, one-line response that “what sickens you belongs in the Pit instead of GQ” at 8:03. I read it as **bib** stating that the nature of the discussion had changed enough that he was moving the thread to the Pit. The subsequent comments were made by _another poster_, not **bib** , but it’s impossible to tell from the times whether the thread was still in GQ or had made the jump to the Pit. It could help explain the nature of subsequent comments, i.e. if the thread wasn’t _in_ GQ anymore. Veb ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/8 "2001-11-01T04:57:32Z")
k2dave, it’s interesting. You want to take on biblio, but not on Collunsbury. Not that I’m implying anything about it. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/9 "2001-11-01T05:00:30Z")
**Veb** UNless I’m just up too late and getting fuzzy, the original thread is still in GQ. It never got moved. And, IMHO, **bib** was simply sending a very gentle reminder about where to complain, i.e. BBQ. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/10 "2001-11-01T06:05:25Z")
Well **Yue Han** depends on how you define “recently.” The Pit has been a place for complaints since I’ve been here, and that’s 18 months. In internet time, that’s an eternity. ---
**Author:** ![Demo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demo/32/8472_2.png) [@Demo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Demo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/11 "2001-11-01T07:53:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Yue Han \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > That is the original purpose of the Pit, anyway. > > Wrong. The original purpose of the Pit was a place to put flames so they didn’t disrupt the flow of other threads. The stuff about the administration was added relatively recently because I don’t think there’s ever been a thread questioning the administration that didn’t turn into flames eventually, so they cut it off at the pass. > > –John \*\* Ok, well, as far as I can remember. I think I registered in Oct of 99, so maybe that wasn’t as “original” as I thought. My understanding was that flaming was added to the description, not moderation complaints. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/12 "2001-11-01T14:22:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TVeblen \* > **The subsequent comments were made by _another poster_, not bib, but it’s impossible to tell from the times whether the thread was still in GQ or had made the jump to the Pit. It could help explain the nature of subsequent comments, i.e. if the thread wasn’t _in_ GQ anymore.** I was definitely still reading the thread in GQ when the comments that **k2dave** quoted from **Collounsbury** were made. And, frankly, I agree with him (and thought the same thing before he started this thread)– **Collounsbury’s** remarks were _at least_ as Pit-worthy as **k2dave’s** , and probably deserved the same level of public warning. But, as always, I’m sure there’s a good explanation. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/13 "2001-11-01T17:45:13Z")
[possible answer:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1777631#post1777631) > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Gaudere \* > This is not an official warning, because I consider those comments in the “offensive but acceptable due to their possible validity in a debate” category with such terms as “liar” and “coward” and “weasel”_\* ---
**Author:** ![darkcool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@darkcool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/darkcool)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/14 "2001-11-01T18:52:59Z")
Look at the bright side, **k2** , at least you _got_ a warning. ---
**Author:** ![k.os](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@k.os](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k.os)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/15 "2001-11-01T20:36:48Z")
**darkcool** Are you still mad about [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=95051) thread? I don’t see any other explanation for your post. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2001, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/16 "2001-11-02T01:44:24Z")
**D.D.G.** some more words of wisdom (or a google search depending on the topic). I didn’t take it an official mod warning - I think it would have stated as such. I am considering emailing him but in a private email (and I wouldn’t post it) I can almost guess what he will say. **Demo** I don’t frequent the pit much but when I saw that this was the place to make such a challenge I had to post (even if this wasn’t included in the original pit). Unfortunately **Bibliophage** has not shown up so I am leaving (the pit (for now) not the board)). I thought I was a good doper and have complemented mods and admin’s in the past even if I didn’t agree with them I stated that their work is appreciated (maybe not in those exact words - but still the meaning was there). I really don’t know if **bibliophage** has a personal problem with me or not - I certainly don’t have one with him and hope he doesn’t feel that I do. **brachyrhynchos** by now he has as he has locked the thread. **TVeblen** the thread was never moved to the pit (or out of GQ) **capacitor** Collunsbury came on like a raving lunatic and getting away with spewing forth pit worth replies - This is not how I go about GQ’s - the occasional rant but nothing like he did - he really didn’t deserve a reply but I had a good laugh reading his posts plus I really couldn’t respond in kind due to the warning. **IzzyR** possible but IMHO unlikely in this situation - I really don’t want to go into exactly what I think on the subject till I can confirm it further - not that it would help then but at least I’d be sure. **darkcool** Like I stated before I didn’t consider it an official mod warning but just a nudge - as I don’t know exactly what you are talking about I can only guess ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2001, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/17 "2001-11-02T02:13:00Z")
**samclem and k2dave** : Right you are, and my apologies. I had several SDMB windows open at the same time and, to put it in technical terms, messed up–didn’t check the forum headers closely enough when I clicked 'em open. (Copious amounts of Sudafed and Nyquil didn’t help.) From the OP and several responses I had trouble figuring out exactly who said what. But I apologize most sincerely for adding confusion. ::pounds head slowly, rhythmically into wall:: I’ll go away now. Veb ---
**Author:** ![darkcool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@darkcool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/darkcool)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2001, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/18 "2001-11-02T02:22:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by k.os \* > \*\ ***darkcool** > Are you still mad about [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=95051) thread? I don’t see any other explanation for your post. \*\* No. Nothing to do with it. And, besides, I was never mad about that thread. I was just implying that one might interperate nudging as a mild warning. No biggie, only my $.02’s worth. Should of used a smilie! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![k.os](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@k.os](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k.os)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2001, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/19 "2001-11-02T02:47:44Z")
**darkcool** No problem! I guess I misunderstood you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2001, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830/20 "2001-11-02T04:18:11Z")
Why am I not surprised that k2dave started this thread? Here’s a clue, dude. You tried to hijack a thread for a rant; major violation of board rules, especially GQ. Collounsbury criticized you fairly for not doing your homework, and with understandable frustration since he’s argued this point in numerous other GQ threads. Of course, since you can never do anything wrong, he must be ranting, right? FTR, here is the thread in question: [mixed-race children = crooked teeth](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=95853) At 1:30 AM, 10/29 Bob Scene quoted an article: > [@](#): > > Chung also determined that there was no major consequence of heterosis or recombination of genes in the interracial crosses in Hawaii. At 6:54 PM, 10/30, nearly a day and a half later, k2dave posted: > [@](#): > > I have heard of the bad teeth theory but it was a long time ago. I would say that there is possible a genetic basis for this. If that isn’t “aggressive and inexcusable ignorance”, I don’t know what is. Of course, what can you expect from someone who reads Zyada: “With such a skewed sampling, any American study that looks at race [in reference to genetic] is worthless.” as k2dave: “So you just stated that any study in the US is ‘worthless’ if I read the above correctly?” And k2dave wins the prize for worst reading comprehension! Not to mention taking a study I linked to, and deciding “All you have stated is that most Ethiopians are incorrectly called ‘blacks’.” [Maybe he’s talking about these people?](http://inet01.et.undp.org/ethiopia/intro.htm) He also said: "I was open minded enought to think it’s a possibility and I am not dismissing it closed mindedly. ". Yep, it’s so open-minded to ignore scientific data in favor of wishful thinking. Hey, k2dave, I’ve got a business deal[sub]ponzi scheme[/sub] for you. Finally, when I asked for a cite, he ignored that but said: "I see many so called agendas being expressed in this thread ". Yeah, my ex always questioned my motives whenever he was losing an argument, too. No wonder this didn’t surprise me, he reminds me of my ex! He always blamed others for his mistakes, too. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bibliophage-to-the-mat/90830.md?page=2)