# Calling Bullshit on Rob Zombie **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922 "2005-07-24T13:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/1 "2005-07-24T13:59:52Z")
“The Devil’s Rejects” got released this week to the movie theaters. If you’ve not seen or heard of it yet, it is a sequel to his previous “House of 1000 Corpses.” It is savage, brutal, sadistic, amoral … well, calling it a piece of trash as a lot of reviewers have would be praise. To paraphrase one reviewer, if you see a scene where two rednecks are buying a chicken and your immediate recation is to ask if they wany to eat it or fuck it, this movie is probably for you. If someone wants to make a movie like this, God bless them. Free speech and all that. What pisses me off is the comments Zombie reportedly made about it (reported on it’s [IMDb entry](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0395584/).) In response to a comment that the movie was " the worst, most violent depraved movie I have ever seen. It glorifies violence" Zombie replies, “this movies does not glorify the violence, it shows how ugly and nasty it is… I don’t want people to cheer the bad guys.” Sorry, bad guy … why don’t you grow a set. I’m calling bullshit. You made a geek show for people who like geek shows. Do you really seriously think, after 9/11 and the London bombings and everything we’ve been through in the past 10 years that people are suddenly going to see this movie and realize “Oooo … violence is _bad!_” No, I think you knowingly made a movie to see how depraved and sick you could get on the screen and then tried to defend it by pretending to have a moralistic, educational overtone. Bullshit again … grow some balls, Mr. Zombie. Your whole career has been about pushing the limits of gore, violence and depravity. At least have the guts to stand behind your work for what it is. There’s nothing moralistic, nothing enlightening, nothing which would inspire people to a higher frame of mind here. It’s a horror show, pure and simple, and you wanted to see how sick and depraved you could make it. Stand up for your work, but don’t pretend that people with more than half a brain can’t see what it’s really all about. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/2 "2005-07-24T14:23:25Z")
I saw the movie. I didn’t feel like Zombie was cheering for the bad guys. I felt like he sympathized with the victims and wanted the bad guys punished. The movie has been very well reviewed, by the way. Even Ebert and Roeper gave it two thumbs up. And I thought the chicken fucking exchange was hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/3 "2005-07-24T14:38:25Z")
And I call bullshit on people judging movies they haven’t seen. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/4 "2005-07-24T14:44:32Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Even Ebert and Roeper gave it two thumbs up. [Roger Exerpt from Ebert’s print review for the Chicago Sun-Times:](http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050721/REVIEWS/50712001/1023) > [@](#): > > How can I possibly give “The Devil’s Rejects” a favorable review? A kind of heedless zeal transforms its horrors. The movie is not merely disgusting, but has an attitude and a subversive sense of humor. Its actors venture into camp satire, but never seem to know it’s funny; their sincerity gives the jokes a kind of solemn gallows cackle. Consider the fact that it’s about a depraved family of mass murderers who name themselves after Groucho Marx characters (Otis P. Driftwood, Rufus T. Firefly, Captain Spaulding) and that the sheriff calls in a film critic to give him insights into their pathology. He gave the film three stars. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/5 "2005-07-24T14:46:52Z")
> [@Ferret Herder](#): > > [Roger Exerpt from Ebert’s print review for the Chicago Sun-Times:](http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050721/REVIEWS/50712001/1023) :smack: Post not I should before caffeine I drink. “Excerpt from Roger Ebert’s print review…” ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/6 "2005-07-24T14:48:19Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I saw the movie. I didn’t feel like Zombie was cheering for the bad guys. I felt like he sympathized with the victims and wanted the bad guys punished. I disagree. He’s had two movies to get the bad guys punished now … hasn’t happened. Have you followed his career or seen his website? He delights in over the top violence and gore. I truly believe that he didn’t make this movie because he wanted us to be repulsed by the violence for some sort of moralistic reason … I think he did it because he thought it was cool. > [@Revtim](#): > > And I call bullshit on people judging movies they haven’t seen. I don’t have to see sadistic and brutal torture, rape and murder to know that it’s “bad” and not something I want to submit myself to. I’m not judging the movie; I’m judging Zombie’s stated motives in making the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/7 "2005-07-24T14:53:58Z")
A person who’s actually seen the flick states seems to think it was pretty clear Zombie did not want people to cheer for the murderers. See the movie to make your own judgement, but until then your opinion is pretty damn worthless. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/8 "2005-07-24T14:55:19Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > I disagree. He’s had two movies to get the bad guys punished now … hasn’t happened. Um…have you SEEN **The Devil’s Rejects**? The bad guys are first tortured by a vindictive sheriff, and then, after escaping briefly, they are blown away by the police in a hail of gunfire, _Bonnie and Clyde_ style…in slow motion. That doesn’t count as punishment? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/9 "2005-07-24T14:56:36Z")
There isn’t any rape in the movie, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/10 "2005-07-24T15:03:40Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > A person who’s actually seen the flick states seems to think it was pretty clear Zombie did not want people to cheer for the murderers. See the movie to make your own judgement, but until then your opinion is pretty damn worthless. But that’s my _point_! I don’t need the see the movie to be able to know that what is depicts is bad! And given the arc of his career, I find it _very_ difficult to believe that he wasn’t out to glorify violence. I just get tired of filmmakers making geek shows like this and then hiding behind the veneer of trying to make some sort of serious statement when they’re called on it. I would have much better admired Zombie if he had replied to the line about “the worst, most violent depraved movie I have ever seen” saying “yes, that’s what we were going for. We succeeded.” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/11 "2005-07-24T15:11:13Z")
So you admit you haven’t seen the movie, you’ve made at least two inaccurate statements about what happens in it, and you still feel qualified to judge the director’s intentions? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/12 "2005-07-24T15:16:21Z")
What serious statement? The one from your OP? “this movies does not glorify the violence, it shows how ugly and nasty it is… I don’t want people to cheer the bad guys.” **Dio** , who’s seen the flick, says this is accurate. You have not, and disagree. Who would _you_ believe, if you were me? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/13 "2005-07-24T15:17:31Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > But that’s my _point_! **I don’t need the see the movie to be able to know that what is depicts is bad**! And given the arc of his career, I find it _very_ difficult to believe that he wasn’t out to glorify violence. You do realize the glaring flaw in this statement, right? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/14 "2005-07-24T15:21:35Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > So you admit you haven’t seen the movie, you’ve made at least two inaccurate statements about what happens in it, and you still feel qualified to judge the director’s intentions? I’m saying that you can’t dismiss it from the rest of his career and think that his entire body of work doesn’t glorify violence, yes. ---
**Author:** ![EleventyOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@EleventyOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EleventyOne)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/15 "2005-07-24T15:28:05Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > But that’s my _point_! I don’t need the see the movie to be able to know that what is depicts is bad! And given the arc of his career, I find it _very_ difficult to believe that he wasn’t out to glorify violence. Disclaimer: I haven’t seen either movie and don’t really intend to as I don’t have any interest in gory horror movies…but… This sounds like a quote from the fundie Christians who say “I don’t have to READ the Harry Potter books to know they’re full of witchcraft and Satan worshipping!” FWIW, here’s a quote from [an article](http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---26319,00.html) I read in this morning’s Detroit Free Press: > [@](#): > > “They’ve started making everything PG-13 because they want you to bring the kids too,” he snorts. “And they have turned horror movies into such a wimpy experience that it’s unbelievable. And that’s why I wanted to make a movie that’s mean-spirited and sadistic.” Is this more the attitude you were looking for? ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/16 "2005-07-24T15:44:20Z")
And here I didn’t know Rob was making a sequel. That makes me happy on the inside. Thanks for the heads up! And in the spirit of the pit - piss shit fart arse. You bastard 😃 ---
**Author:** ![comrade33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@comrade33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/comrade33)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/17 "2005-07-24T16:04:30Z")
damn, i thought you were going to pit him for being a wannabe al jorgenson, but now i suspect that nobody here knows that name anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/18 "2005-07-24T16:04:57Z")
I’m hung over today and thus extra psychic. I can see the future and it doesn’t seem bright for you **Euty**. Get out gracefully while you still can. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/19 "2005-07-24T16:06:37Z")
> [@comrade33](#): > > damn, i thought you were going to pit him for being a wannabe al jorgenson, but now i suspect that nobody here knows that name anyway. Wrong, I’m a huge Ministry fan. Psalm 69 is one of my favorite albums of all time. I also like many of his side projects. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/20 "2005-07-24T16:24:39Z")
I knew Jorgenson too. I used to dig Ministry quite a bit. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922.md?page=2)