# Calling Bullshit on Rob Zombie **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922 "2005-07-24T13:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/41 "2005-07-25T00:49:02Z")
> [@andros](#): > > In fact, you might even meet people who know how to spell “Jourgenson.” 😉 And if you’re lucky, maybe you’ll find one that knows how to spell “Jourgensen.” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/42 "2005-07-25T01:11:00Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > I agree. > > I’m not gonna see the film, though. I saw the first 15 minutes of _1000 Corpses_. And I’ve seen the trailers for the new flick. Not really my cup of tea. > > This _does_ sound like bullshit though, doesn’t it??? I don’t mind anyone making a gorefest movie. Knock yourself out. But let’s pretend we have higher motives beyond making a gorefest movie. Nobody needs a gory movie to tell them that violence is ugly and nasty. I, like **Euty** , would rather Zombie not try the weasel approach. What makes you think it’s bullshit if you haven’t seen the movie? I’ve seen the movie. It doesn’t glorify the violence and it doesn’t cheer for the bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/43 "2005-07-25T01:41:18Z")
> [@Hung Mung](#): > > I assumed the dog just wasn’t a Zombie fan and fell asleep in the fireplace. > > That movie and alcohol don’t mix so well. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Did YOU fall asleep in the fireplace, or did the dog? ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Side\_of\_the\_Floyd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Dark\_Side\_of\_the\_Floyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dark_Side_of_the_Floyd)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/44 "2005-07-25T02:24:12Z")
Please tell me the fireplace was cold. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/45 "2005-07-25T03:12:40Z")
I. And it was. I suppose I should clarify and say they never really used that fireplace. It wasn’t filthy, but it was a sight dustier than your average kitchen counter. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/46 "2005-07-25T03:15:20Z")
It was a rather chilly night as well, so I’m probably lucky I didn’t catch the floo. I’m really very sorry. I absolutely couldn’t restrain myself. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/47 "2005-07-25T03:25:49Z")
Has **Eutychus** jumped ship on his thread? Adam ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/48 "2005-07-25T03:35:21Z")
Could you blame him? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/49 "2005-07-25T03:47:18Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > What makes you think it’s bullshit if you haven’t seen the movie? > > I’ve seen the movie. It doesn’t glorify the violence and it doesn’t cheer for the bad guys. Were you repulsed by the violence? Did this film teach you that violence was nasty? Or did you _want_ to see a gory horror film? (and I ain’t saying that there’s anything wrong with that) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/50 "2005-07-25T03:54:02Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > Were you repulsed by the violence? I’m too jaded. I did feel sympathy and anger on the part of the victims and I wanted the bad guys to be punished. > [@](#): > > Did this film teach you that violence was nasty? I already knew that. > [@](#): > > Or did you _want_ to see a gory horror film? (and I ain’t saying that there’s anything wrong with that) I was hoping to be _scared_. The reviews made it sound like the kind of movies that scared me as a kid. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/51 "2005-07-25T04:15:11Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I already knew that. So did everybody else. This kind of movie isn’t the kind of thing that scares me (I prefer ghost stories). And there’s no judgment in that statement. Again, I don’t fault Zombie for making the film. I don’t fault anyone for _liking_ the film. And I don’t really like the “glorifying violence” line any better than you do. I mean it’s not like he’s _advocating_ anyone \*doing \* violence. The violence and gore is part and parcel of the sub-genre and I don’t think he has to apologize for that. But can you tell me that the line I quoted didn’t set off your BS meter _just a little bit_? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/52 "2005-07-25T04:25:13Z")
No, because I thought that his intention was not to revel in the violence but to scare the audience by making the violence authentic and believable. That’s what made those other movies effective. A movie like _Last House On the Left_\* had a very unsettling verisimilitude to it. It didn’t seem like a movie, it seemed like it was really happening and that made it far more viscerally effective. As I said before, there was a kind of exhilaration in really being scared by those movies and in not having the reassurance that the good guys would win. I felt like _that_ was what Zombie was going for. To be honest, I don’t think he succeeded as well as those films but I do that was his _intent_ and he did acheive a pretty accomplished and stylish piece of work. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/53 "2005-07-25T04:29:11Z")
One more thing, I don’t believe that Rob Zombie was trying to teach a lesson about violence or that he intended to say that. I believe what he was trying to say in that quote was that trhe violence would be more emotionally effective - more _scary_- if it looked mean and nasty rather than stylized or comic or sanitized. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/54 "2005-07-25T04:51:46Z")
if you get a bunch of friends, some booze, and a pile of Rob Zombie/White Zombie music you can play the “Yeah” drinking game…every time Rob says “Yeah” you drink…if you can last through even one album you are a fucking alcholic. oh yeah that was a reference to Mr. Zombies Creative abilities. ---
**Author:** ![Ashes\_Ashes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@Ashes\_Ashes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashes_Ashes)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/55 "2005-07-25T05:01:03Z")
> [@Agent Foxtrot](#): > > Has **Eutychus** jumped ship on his thread? > > Adam Could be he’s out watching the movie. Which seems like a good idea before critiquing it, I have to agree. I don’t know how many times I’ve watched a trailer and ads for a movie that made it seem the best thing to happen to cinema since spliced film. After having actually _seen_ the movie, I had to check to make sure I’d walked into the right theatre. Sometimes the movie was just awful, other times the ads just didn’t capture the movie. Blair Witch sounded interesting and potentially really scary, based on ads. Turned out, the only thing about that movie that scared me was how much it annoyed me. Which got me to wondering about Mr. Zombie and his movies. Upthread it seemed that his were considered scary in the same way as Texas Chainsaw Massacre and other scary movies of that era. Chainsaw Massacre didn’t scare me, it sickened me, but I wasn’t scared. Since I’ve not seen his movies, is this true of them? Is he failing to deliver fright just as much as modern horror movies fail, as well? Because he’s dead on about this new stuff. Startling me just makes me want to smack the director. Anybody can startle **BOO!** see? A brainless spider can startle me and on a much smaller budget, too. It takes talent to really scare people. I can’t think of a horror film in recent years that did anything but make me jump at loud noises. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/56 "2005-07-25T07:19:53Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I believe what he was trying to say in that quote was that trhe violence would be more emotionally effective - more _scary_- if it looked mean and nasty rather than stylized or comic or sanitized. He should hire you to do his press. That would have been a MUCH better quote. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/57 "2005-07-25T07:26:00Z")
> [@Agent Foxtrot](#): > > Has **Eutychus** jumped ship on his thread? Nope … been out actually enjoying life and now I’m heading to work. Tell you what … go look at some of the graphics on Rob Zombie’s website (I’ll not link because they’re probably not safe for here) and tell me that he’s not glorifying violence. Then go read some of his lyrics. Then tell me why I should pay 8 dollars to subject myself to more of the same in a dark movie theater. ---
**Author:** ![comrade33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@comrade33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/comrade33)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/58 "2005-07-25T07:33:42Z")
> [@Jimmy Chitwood](#): > > And if you’re lucky, maybe you’ll find one that knows how to spell “Jourgensen.” :smack: the funny thing is i used to be proud of my “mad spelling skills”. such is the tao. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/59 "2005-07-25T10:46:17Z")
This is a sequel to _House of 1000 Corpses_, **and** it’s supposed to be scary? Aren’t sequels usually in the same genre as the originals? 😉 I love scary movies and even scary video games. I have no problem with gore… I liked _Cabin Fever_ and I was so into Mortal Kombat that I maintained the newsgroup’s FAQ. But I found _1000 Corpses_ to be crap. Sadistic, yes; scary, no. ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/60 "2005-07-25T11:01:23Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > Nope … been out actually enjoying life and now I’m heading to work. > > Tell you what … go look at some of the graphics on Rob Zombie’s website (I’ll not link because they’re probably not safe for here) and tell me that he’s not glorifying violence. Then go read some of his lyrics. Then tell me why I should pay 8 dollars to subject myself to more of the same in a dark movie theater. You’re a knee jerk idiot. Anyone who spends more that, oh say 5 minutes on his website quickly realizes that if Rob Zombie gloryfies anything it’s shlocky horror movies from the 70’s. Listen to his music, casually glance at his liner notes, read any interview him where he says as much, realise that we’re talking about a man who’s named himself ROB ZOMBIE. It’s tongue in cheek, except his 2 movies which are an attempt to do 70’s style horror straight, and you’re an idiot to be upset by any of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922.md?page=4)