# Calling Bullshit on Rob Zombie **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922 "2005-07-24T13:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/61 "2005-07-25T11:33:48Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > This is a sequel to _House of 1000 Corpses_, **and** it’s supposed to be scary? Aren’t sequels usually in the same genre as the originals? 😉 > > I love scary movies and even scary video games. I have no problem with gore… I liked _Cabin Fever_ and I was so into Mortal Kombat that I maintained the newsgroup’s FAQ. But I found _1000 Corpses_ to be crap. Sadistic, yes; scary, no. Hey I didn’t think it was scary either. It was just entertaining. My pals and I had all been drinking when we watched it and we got a kick out of it. Rob Zombie at least made **House of 1000** stylistically interesting and it had a few good moments (the Sheriff scene comes to mind.) It didn’t frighten me but it was a hell of a spectacle. Unlike **Dark Water** which was just boring as all hell. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/62 "2005-07-25T12:25:13Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > Tell you what … go look at some of the graphics on Rob Zombie’s website (I’ll not link because they’re probably not safe for here) and tell me that he’s not glorifying violence. Then go read some of his lyrics. Then tell me why I should pay 8 dollars to subject myself to more of the same in a dark movie theater. If you can explain to me how you can complain about the content of a movie that you have not even seen _and_ explain to me how what you are doing differs in anyway from that stupid group that pitches a bitch to the FCC every time something upsetting to their “values” might possibly be aired on television, then I will tell you why you should spend your $8 on the movie. Woohoo, bigass sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/63 "2005-07-25T13:00:12Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s tongue in cheek, except his 2 movies which are an attempt to do 70’s style horror straight, and you’re an idiot to be upset by any of it. Hey, hey, hey, now. Let’s refrain from using personal insults. This is Cafe Society, not the Pit! What?.. Oh, fuck all y’all. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/64 "2005-07-25T13:03:52Z")
Even if the artwork on his website unquestionably glorified violence, that doesn’t mean the movie does too. Everybody’s body of work is not all exactly the same. It’s really pathetic how you keep trying to justify your opinion of something you haven’t seen, **Eutychus**. I understand you shouldn’t see it, because it’s clearly not your cup of tea, but stop trying to pretend you know more about it than the person who made it, and people who have _actually seen it_. The hole your digging is just getting deeper and deeper. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/65 "2005-07-25T14:08:05Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > Tell you what … go look at some of the graphics on Rob Zombie’s website (I’ll not link because they’re probably not safe for here) and tell me that he’s not glorifying violence. OK, I’ve looked at his website, and he’s not glorifying violence. There’s only one page background (out of six or seven) that’s in any way, shape or form violent, and it’s just an image like you’d see in any splatter film. It’s not like those were meant as how-to manuals, y’know. > [@](#): > > Then go read some of his lyrics. He’s got a lot of lyrics, and I’m not going to go digging through all of them to find the ones that you think glorify violence. Perhaps you should share with us which ones you find particularly objectionable. ---
**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/66 "2005-07-25T15:08:22Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **spooje** :_ > > > [@](#): > > > > Zombie replies, “this movies does not glorify the violence, it shows how ugly and nasty it is… I don’t want people to cheer the bad guys.” > > This does sound like bullshit though, doesn’t it??? I don’t mind anyone making a gorefest movie. Knock yourself out. But let’s pretend we have higher motives beyond making a gorefest movie. I don’t see that as claiming higher motives at all. His point is that many, if not most, modern horror movies DO encourage you to cheer for the bad guy, or they make the violence clean or only suggested. As a fan of 70s horror movies, Rob Zombie wants to make movies where the violence is graphic and clearly delineate the good guys from the bad guys. Most J-horror, as well as movies like _Scream_, allow or actively encourage sympathy for the bad guys. Rob Zombie creates bad guys that are BAD. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/67 "2005-07-25T15:58:45Z")
Maybe I was just asleep in the fireplace, but I don’t recall any particularly good GOOD guys. Who knows, maybe that was on purpose. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/68 "2005-07-25T19:18:42Z")
Tip for **Eutychus:** if horror and violence bothers you, don’t go looking at movies or celebrities who play off horror and violence. Until this thread, I had no idea what **Satan’s Rejects** was (I though it was a new rock album or something); and being totally apathetic towards horror flicks, I have no interest in seeing it. I can’t understand why you’re so wound up about the darn thing. (I will, however, admit to owning one Rob Zombie song, [“Two Lane Blacktop.”](http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/robzombie/twolaneblacktop.html) It was nifty when I first heard it on the _Need For Speed: Underground_ soundtrack, what can I say… ---
**Author:** ![mrunlucky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@mrunlucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrunlucky)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/69 "2005-07-25T20:02:02Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > Nope … been out actually enjoying life and now I’m heading to work. > > Tell you what … go look at some of the graphics on Rob Zombie’s website (I’ll not link because they’re probably not safe for here) and tell me that he’s not glorifying violence. Then go read some of his lyrics. Then tell me why I should pay 8 dollars to subject myself to more of the same in a dark movie theater. Zombie has always been a big fan of horror movies, both the cheesy B and Z versions, as well as hardcore 70s American drive-in flicks, and Italian and Mexican-made gore fests. It’s obvious if you know anything about Zombie. It’s obvious in his music and his videos. But I think you’re entirely missing the point, or else, you just don’t get the point. In the heyday of 70’s horror, as well as Italian horror, there were many extremely viseral horror movies that abandoned the old rules of what a horror movie should be. Some of the scariest were also the most shocking, and had the most impact. It’s difficult to forget movies like _Texas Chainsaw Massacre_, _Eaten Alive_, _I Spit On Your Grave_, _Last House on the Left_, _The Hills Have Eyes_, _Cannibal Ferox_, _Zombie_, and I could go on and on. Are these happy fun movies? No. But they are far more powerful than the derivate glut from the 90s. After the _Scream_ series, we can’t keep doing self-referential and hope to make a movie with any impact. That style is already worn out, like a joke that’s only funny the first time. Luckily for horror fans, Zombie gets the older and foreign horror styles, and wants to recreate that. He doesn’t want to do PG slasher film sequels, or self-referential postmodernist dead-ends. He’s a horror film fan who wants to make movies for horror film fans. If you don’t like gore or violence, then clearly Zombie’s films are not for you. No one is forcing you to go see his movies. Railing on something you don’t like because you don’t get it (and more lame, that you _haven’t even seen_) is pointless. And trying to earn points by putting down Zombie in front of people who get what he is about, doesn’t really help make your case. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2005, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/70 "2005-07-25T23:11:50Z")
I was an odd child. \* I loved the old horror movies (Chainsaw Massacre, Hotel Hell, Hills Have Eyes, Phantasm, The Fun House). I used to save up my babysitting money to buy Stephen King paperbacks in the early days (Carrie, Salem’s Lot, The Shining) and issues of True Detective Magazine (I begged for a subscription for my birthday). I would sneak and watch Nightmare Theater and Night Stalker after my parents would go to bed and get scared shitless. I loved the monsters! Rob Zombie is just recapturing the horror movies from the past (and does a good job of it). If you have ever seen him talk in an interview or read one of his articles, you will know that he doesn’t take himself or his work seriously. It is also pretty apparent in his lyrics, videos, and movies. - This may have something to do with my unexplanable lust I have for Rob Zombie. For some strange reason I find him hot as hell! ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/71 "2005-07-26T00:51:04Z")
> [@Diane](#): > > Rob Zombie is just recapturing the horror movies from the past (and does a good job of it). Now this is something that could be pitted. House of 1000 Corpses suck-diddly-ucked! ---
**Author:** ![Neutron\_Activation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/49beb7/32.png) [@Neutron\_Activation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neutron_Activation)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/72 "2005-07-26T03:55:47Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > Nope … been out actually enjoying life and now I’m heading to work. > > Tell you what … go look at some of the graphics on Rob Zombie’s website (I’ll not link because they’re probably not safe for here) and tell me that he’s not glorifying violence. Then go read some of his lyrics. Then tell me why I should pay 8 dollars to subject myself to more of the same in a dark movie theater. Tell you what go read the bible and explain to me how GOD encouraging the Jews to kill and rape their “evil” neighbors over a land dispute in the name of the one true GOD doesn’t glorify violence, couldn’t God come up with a peaceful solution? ( I guess God can make a rock so large that he himself can’t lift it). Why did GOD in his infinite wisdom plunk his chosen people down in the middle of their enemies? (To insure peace and tranquility no doubt). Why did he allow Lucifer to fall from grace and become the prince of mindless violence? (GOD made EVERYTHING, remember). And why in the hell did he come up with HELL in the first place, a just and loving parent doesn’t torture and burn their errant child for eternity do they? Rob Zombie just tells stories about mindless violence he didn’t invent it. Mr. Zombie only borrows his images from the book of Revelations he didn’t inspire or originate them. I am the God of INIFINITE LOVE and PEACE and if you don’t believe it I’ll burn you in Hell forever. Sure sounds to me like someone that could be in a Rob Zombie movie or song. ---
**Author:** ![Winnie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e480ec/32.png) [@Winnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winnie)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/73 "2005-07-26T13:30:47Z")
> [@Diane](#): > > - This may have something to do with my unexplanable lust I have for Rob Zombie. For some strange reason I find him hot as hell! I must be strange, too, **Diane** because I’m there with you. That man is all beast and I love it. Saw him at Ozzfest 2 or 3 years ago in the front row. Incredible show, incredible performer, and actually incredibly smart. I’m nuts about him. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/74 "2005-07-26T13:41:39Z")
> [@Neutron\_Activation](#): > > Tell you what go read the bible and explain to me how GOD encouraging the Jews to kill and rape their “evil” neighbors over a land dispute in the name of the one true GOD doesn’t glorify violence, couldn’t God come up with a peaceful solution? ( I guess God can make a rock so large that he himself can’t lift it). Why did GOD in his infinite wisdom plunk his chosen people down in the middle of their enemies? (To insure peace and tranquility no doubt). Why did he allow Lucifer to fall from grace and become the prince of mindless violence? (GOD made EVERYTHING, remember). And why in the hell did he come up with HELL in the first place, a just and loving parent doesn’t torture and burn their errant child for eternity do they? Rob Zombie just tells stories about mindless violence he didn’t invent it. Mr. Zombie only borrows his images from the book of Revelations he didn’t inspire or originate them. > > I am the God of INIFINITE LOVE and PEACE and if you don’t believe it I’ll burn you in Hell forever. Sure sounds to me like someone that could be in a Rob Zombie movie or song. If you just want to pit religion, do so in another thread. This Bible-bashing is a classless hijack of the main discussion here. By the way, nice random reference to the “stone” paradox. If only it had anything to do with violence. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/75 "2005-07-26T20:25:39Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > If you just want to pit religion, do so in another thread. This Bible-bashing is a classless hijack of the main discussion here. By the way, nice random reference to the “stone” paradox. If only it had anything to do with violence. I think the “Bible-bashing” is on topic, at least to the extent that it relates to the criteria for saying that something glorifies violence. There certainly is plenty of violence in the Bible that isn’t depicted negatively. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/76 "2005-07-26T21:59:23Z")
I love Rob Zombie and I don’t give a damn about violence being glorified. However, is there no common sense left in this world? Isn’t the violence in the Bible (a BOOK that only gives you words and no graphic stimulation) a little different from the close-up, full-frontal, blood-and-guts cinema of Rob Zombie? Comparing the Bible to modern slasher movies is just asinine. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/77 "2005-07-26T22:18:06Z")
I think some parts of the Bible are _supposed_ to scare the bejeezus out of people; but I just don’t think it’s scary at all. Whoever wrote it can’t do horror, I’m afraid. Anyhoo, can Rob Zombie do horror? Is the flick actually scary? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/78 "2005-07-26T22:21:30Z")
I wasn’t scared but I’m an _extremely_ tough audience on that account. I haven’t been scared by a movie since I was a kid. I could tell and appreciate what Zombie was going for, though, and I think I might have been scared by it when I was 12 or 13. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/79 "2005-07-26T22:21:45Z")
> [@Argent Towers](#): > > Isn’t the violence in the Bible (a BOOK that only gives you words and no graphic stimulation) a little different from the close-up, full-frontal, blood-and-guts cinema of Rob Zombie? Aren’t people always saying books are better than TV and movies because the scenes you can imagine as you read are even more immersive than anything you might see on a screen? ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2005, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922/80 "2005-07-26T22:24:03Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > Aren’t people always saying books are better than TV and movies because the scenes you can imagine as you read are even more immersive than anything you might see on a screen? Only if they’re written well. While the Bible discussion may or may not be appropriate, the style of **Neutron\_Activation** ’s post makes me suspect that he’s a raving loon with an anti-theistic bent. Of course, I’d be more than willing to be corrected. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-bullshit-on-rob-zombie/313922.md?page=5)