# Calling people a liar in GD **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2006, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586 "2006-02-01T23:04:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/41 "2006-02-02T02:28:46Z")
This thread seems to have tilted into the Twilight zone. That is the longest delay on a double post I have ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/42 "2006-02-02T02:33:19Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Meh. I’ve been pitted twice by idiots who were banned soon afterward on the basis of cosmic stupidity. It ain’t all that great. I was pitted once and it was for stealing someone’s Weird Earl. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/43 "2006-02-02T02:34:40Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > I was pitted once and it was for stealing someone’s Weird Earl. Can you explain that? I am totally lost. Jim ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/44 "2006-02-02T02:40:47Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Dammit, I’ve been around since 2000 (see, up there to the right? two-effing-thousand) and no one has ever Pitted _me_. Where’s the love, people? I thought about Pitting you for not making available your email address so I could tell you what fabulous pictures you’ve posted at [ratemykitten.com](http://ratemykitten.com), but that’s barely worth a single post, let alone its own thread. Sorry, you’ll just have to work on your obnoxiousness. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/45 "2006-02-02T02:41:15Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > **mswas** has a point. I’ve noticed lately that people have taken to saying, “You’re a liar” as meaning the same thing as, “you’re wrong”. i.e.: > > “Bush signed that bill last April.” > “You’re a liar! He signed it in May.” > > That really is a coarsening of debate, and it makes it hard to have civil discussions. [_snort_](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7054529&postcount=39). Sorry I offended your petite sensibilities. Next time, I’ll say you just made a made a clear misstatement of facts rather than that you lied. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/46 "2006-02-02T02:42:13Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > “Nerly”? Jeeziz, I think I’m catching whatever **Aleric** ’s got. Pssssst! It’s **alaric**. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/47 "2006-02-02T02:52:22Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > Can you explain that? I am totally lost. You know the Straight Dope front page, with the Weird Earl’s and Threadspotting links? Two of us wanted to submit the same Weird Earl ([this one](http://koti.mbnet.fi/~soldier/towboat.htm)) but mine got in first, and I was Pitted for that. I tried finding the thread but it won’t turn up in Search. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/48 "2006-02-02T02:56:26Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > You know the Straight Dope front page, with the Weird Earl’s and Threadspotting links? Two of us wanted to submit the same Weird Earl ([this one](http://koti.mbnet.fi/~soldier/towboat.htm)) but mine got in first, and I was Pitted for that. > > I tried finding the thread but it won’t turn up in Search. :smack: Now it makes perfect sense. > [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Pssssst! It’s **alaric**. 😛 Alas poor **El\_Kabong** , do you think he will recover Doctor? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/49 "2006-02-02T02:56:47Z")
Oh, I know I said I wouldn’t post in this thread again, but I have just one more thing to add to clear up yet another untruth. Now, it may be handwaved away by saying that he " forget something [he] said, or [he changed his] position on something, or [he made] a mistake and [typed] something incorrectly without realizing it,", but in my mind the difference between telling a lie and ‘forgetting’ what you’ve said while ‘changing your position’ is somewhat ephemeral. But in this case, he has either ‘forgotten’ what he said, or is simply lying. But if he’s too dumb to know what he’s said, or at least re-read his posts, then maybe he shouldn’t make emphatic claims about the content of those posts. > [@mswas](#): > > In the thread in question it wasn’t an argument of fact, I never once disputed FinnAgain’s facts > [@mswas](#): > > You haven’t proven or disproven anything, that’s the point. Your opinion isn’t fact. > [@mswas](#): > > You never proved anything about Hamas’ actions being consistent > [@mswas](#): > > FinnAgain I don’t agree with your ‘corrections’. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/50 "2006-02-02T03:14:55Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Grow the fuck up-7th grade is over. Yeah, that’s the epitome of a mature response right there, huh? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/51 "2006-02-02T03:46:28Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > Was any for coding? > Everyone makes mistakes, but two straight? 😉 fuck if I can figure out how it happened,myself… ---
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/52 "2006-02-02T03:48:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Grow the fuck up-7th grade is over. speak for yourself… ---
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/53 "2006-02-02T03:52:06Z")
> [@Q.E.D.](#): > > Yeah, that’s the epitome of a mature response right there, huh? :rolleyes: well,actually, I was attempting (with dubious success…) to highlight the absurdity of having a bunch of wardens supervising the inmates, as it were. Of course, one cannot “snitch” because everything on the board is visible. alas, however, my post waS too obscure to be risible. ---
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/54 "2006-02-02T03:54:48Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > :smack: Now it makes perfect sense. > Alas poor **El\_Kabong** , do you think he will recover Doctor? My God Man, we don’t have the instruments. … We don’t have the personnel… **WE DON’T HAVE THE DRUGS!!!** ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/55 "2006-02-02T03:56:43Z")
Oh, great. Alaric is posting in an mswas Pit thread. I’ll be in my bunker, waiting for the stupid to settle. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/56 "2006-02-02T04:19:38Z")
> [@alaricthegoth](#): > > My God Man, we don’t have the instruments. … We don’t have the personnel… > **WE DON’T HAVE THE DRUGS!!!** On the last part: Are you sure you don’t? 😉 Jim ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/57 "2006-02-02T04:41:54Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I’ll be in my bunker, waiting for the stupid to settle. Hope you’ve got plenty of canned goods. ---
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/58 "2006-02-02T05:33:20Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > On the last part: Are you sure you don’t? 😉 > > Jim well, we don’t have the instruments, anyway… ---
**Author:** ![booklyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@booklyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/booklyn)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/59 "2006-02-02T06:25:33Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Oh, great. Alaric is posting in an mswas Pit thread. I’ll be in my bunker, waiting for the stupid to settle. BWAHAAHAAHAAA!!! Did spit take on that one, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2006, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/60 "2006-02-02T07:06:29Z")
Calling somebody a liar is the ultimate _ad hominem_ argument. It’s also a red herring: accusations regarding one’s character tend to distract from the main argument. Bad form, I say. I’m not all that familiar with **mswas** ; if he is indeed an unapologetic and belligerent ignoramus, then that only underlines the necessity of treating him with special care. If that is the case then perhaps it would be better if **FinnAgain** attempted more circumspection and precision in his presentation, given the circumstances. For all I know though, **mswas** may be reachable: if so, I apologize for my insulting choice of words. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586.md?page=4)