# Calling U S dopers . " The misandry bubble" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 11, 2010, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500 "2010-01-11T13:24:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Indian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@Indian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indian)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/1 "2010-01-11T13:24:28Z")
Strongly worded article from the [futurist](http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html#comments). “_I say that the further inflation and subsequent precipitous deflation of the **misandry** bubble will define the next American decade._” Long article,with plenty of links. Sure to provoke some feminists . Comments ? ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/2 "2010-01-11T13:43:12Z")
Reads like it was written by a slightly drunk new divorcee. ---
**Author:** ![Vihaga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Vihaga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vihaga)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/3 "2010-01-11T16:01:44Z")
I stopped reading at “fatocalypse.” I also agree with **Grey**. Oh, wait, couldn’t help reading the next bullet! > [@](#): > > Widows were common and visible, and vulnerable to poverty and crime. For these reasons, women who were married to able-bodied men knew how fortunate they were relative to other women who had to resort to tedious jobs just to survive, and treated their marriage with corresponding respect. I’m enjoying how the lack of poverty and victimhood among current widows is a bad thing. I will say it is a point of view that I had not previously considered. I think the misandry is assuming that women have to need men for financial support and protection from harm in order to want them around. This whole article seems to imply that there are alarmingly few men that women will want and be faithful to on their own merits. That says a far worse thing about men than I’ve heard from any feminist I know. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/4 "2010-01-11T16:09:41Z")
socialism “malignant”? The “Venusian arts”? As an anti-feminist I agree with his basic premise, but this is terrible stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/5 "2010-01-11T17:18:03Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > As an anti-feminist I agree with his basic premise What’s an anti-feminist? As for the article, ridiculous, self-congratulatory and puerile. “Histrionics,” “hypergamous utopia,” “gladly send innocent men to concentration camps,” yeah, he makes himself easily enough dismissed. It fails to make a single cogent point that I could find. It’s boring enough that as what the article calls a proponent of the leftist feminist agenda, I’m not provoked a bit. This could have been written by any number of people who I went to college with. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/6 "2010-01-11T17:23:54Z")
I have to admit, I had a hard time reading past where (s)he said (s)he had the ANSWER to EVERYTHING, like in the first paragraph. No one thing is the answer to everything, much as human beans like to simplify. But then, I didn’t read much beyond that, either. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/7 "2010-01-11T17:25:40Z")
Can someone re-write that for me so it’s actually readable? I made it through the first paragraph - this is a writer who thought Charles Dickens was a little too straight-forward and brusque. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/8 "2010-01-11T17:27:12Z")
Ironically, “hysterical” seems to be the right word here. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/9 "2010-01-11T17:33:27Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Can someone re-write that for me so it’s actually readable? I made it through the first paragraph - this is a writer who thought Charles Dickens was a little too straight-forward and brusque. If you don’t read the whole thing you don’t get to find out how many different ways the author can use scare quotes to insult hundreds of millions of people, and a rewrite would totally destroy all his brilliant euphemisms. If you really want to get to the heart of the matter I suggest the following passage: > [@](#): > > So we have arrived at a society where ‘feminists’ feel that they are ‘empowered’, ‘independent’, and ‘confident’, despite being heavily dependent on taxes paid mostly by men, an unconstitutional shadow state that extracts alimony and ‘child support’ from men, an infrastructure maintained by men, technologies invented by men, and a level of safety that men agree to maintain. So exactly what has society received from this population of women who are the most privileged class of humans ever to have lived? > > (snipped) > > So how much value did society ultimately receive from organizing itself in a manner that young women could choose a life of bar-hopping, shopping for $300 purses, and working as government bureaucrats to make the government a more complete husband substitute? If the sight of a pitiful 60-year-old Code Pink harpy lecturing 12 Muslim adolescents that ‘gender is a social construct’ seems amusing… > > (snipped) > > Lefto-‘feminists’ will be outbred and replaced very quickly, and rural American conservatives of a Sarah Palin nature will be the only resiliently youthful population among all the world’s white ethnicities. The state that lefto-‘feminists’ so admire will quickly turn on them once the state calculates that these women are neither producing new taxpayers nor new technologies, and will find a way to demote them from their present ‘empowered’ position of entitlement. If they thought having obligations to a husband was such an awful prospect, wait until they have obligations to the husband-substitute state. Additional bonus translation key: you have to substitute “woman” for ‘feminist’ most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/10 "2010-01-11T17:36:29Z")
**Lefto** - the forgotten Marx Brother… ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/11 "2010-01-11T17:39:10Z")
Kind of reminds me of Ray Kurzweil. He’s got some interesting ideas and makes some good points, but then he spills crazy on it. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/12 "2010-01-11T17:43:16Z")
I don’t even understand what the author is trying to say. Must be because I’m a woman. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/13 "2010-01-11T17:47:36Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > What’s an anti-feminist? Typically, it’s a person (they need not be male - [Camille Paglia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia)’s often been called one) who builds a strawwoman out of radical/separatist/antimale feminist positions, labels it to represent the basic tenets of _all_ those concerned with the cause of women, pummels the living shit out of it, and considers his (or her) point well and thoroughly proven. There are frank and above-board antifeminists, but they’re more appropriately called misogynists. > [@](#): > > As for the article, ridiculous, self-congratulatory and puerile. “Histrionics,” “hypergamous utopia,” “gladly send innocent men to concentration camps,” yeah, he makes himself easily enough dismissed. It fails to make a single cogent point that I could find. It’s boring enough that as what the article calls a proponent of the leftist feminist agenda, I’m not provoked a bit. This could have been written by any number of people who I went to college with. I started :rolleyes:'ing at the mention of “The Masculinity Vacuum in Entertainment” - a common tenet of white male soc-con wharrgarbl - and dropped the thesis into the notional shithole as soon as he cited “The Primal Nature of Men and Women.” ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/14 "2010-01-11T17:48:13Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > socialism “malignant”? The “Venusian arts”? As an anti-feminist I agree with his basic premise, but this is terrible stuff. I believe the phrase you are looking for is “Get off my side!” ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/15 "2010-01-11T17:48:51Z")
The author hints at a few relevant social issues facing the modern world, but in general that whole article is a load of garbage, his numbers are suspect and/or flat-out incorrect, and his anecdotes are far from representative of what occurs in mainstream society. For those who don’t want to read the article, I can sum it up thusly: 1. The world was better back when men were in positions of power and women were dependent on men for everything. Which was back in the 1950s before the liberals and feminists took over. Or maybe actually it was back in the days before monogamous relationships, when strong alpha human males all over the globe got to have multiple wives. 2. Things only started to fall apart when marriage and gender roles started to FALL APART OH NOES! Even though I guess things were good when men could have multiple wives (see above), our problems _now_ are actually because of the fact that “Traditional Marriage” has fallen apart. Women are slutty and have multiple sexual partners before getting married. When they do get married they’re all in their late 30s and 40s and ugly. They will never have children and our population will dwindle. Except for an army of rural Sarah Palins that will become the ONLY SIGNIFICANT WHITE POPULATION LEFT IN A SEA OF COLOR!!! And their men won’t want them because they’re old. And fat. And, women are being allowed to divorce willy-nilly, without proper societal disincentive. In places like India, the parents of the bride pay a fee in jewels to the parents of the groom, to insure that the bitch won’t leave her man. 1. All of the poor men who are divorced by their feminist-empowered women are also now paying a hefty tax of 70% of all their income to ‘child support’ and so are never going to want to be part of a productive society. This is somewhere approaching 30% of all men!!!111 This is why Detroit failed. 2. All this, of course, only applies to Urban lefto-feminists. Those city women don’t know their place. Rural conservatives however, get married at the right time, have the right number of children, and presumably obey the patriarchy, to the benefit of all. 3. And, don’t forget, that men are victims of physical abuse too. We’re the victims, but all anyone wants to do is talk about how men hit and abuse women. If women stayed in their place and let men dominate society, then we wouldn’t have this confusion, and . . . women would stop beating men? Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/16 "2010-01-11T17:50:29Z")
I didn’t bother to read the article. I got as far as the pictures, and I’m sorry, but Mr. T and the Fonz are not fit to lick Jean Luc’s (probably immaculately groomed) balls. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/17 "2010-01-11T17:56:48Z")
Thanks, **Eonwe**. That saves my poor little brain a whole lot of uninteresting work. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/18 "2010-01-11T18:13:12Z")
I liked how a woman is always responsible for a divorce if she files, but a large percentage of men who file for divorce were forced to it by the woman’s abusing him. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/19 "2010-01-11T18:19:20Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I didn’t bother to read the article. I got as far as the pictures, and I’m sorry, but Mr. T and the Fonz are not fit to lick Jean Luc’s (probably immaculately groomed) balls. You read that slash too? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-u-s-dopers-the-misandry-bubble/524500/20 "2010-01-11T18:25:13Z")
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