# Camille Paglia, shut UP! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 31, 2001, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376 "2001-07-31T19:38:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2001, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/1 "2001-07-31T19:38:48Z")
You’re interesting and provocative and all, and I admit I bought one of your books about ten years ago. But WTF? You’re now the commentator on everything from the Olsen Twins to the role of Blondie in the end of the disco movement. You’re Little Miss Sound Bite. I think I liked you better as “Bitch Who Is Out To Piss Off Humorless Feminists” Stop overanalyzing shit! I like my academics in stuffy lecture halls. Not on VH1. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2001, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/2 "2001-07-31T19:44:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CrankyAsAnOldMan \* > > “Bitch Who Is Out To Piss Off Humorless Feminists” Stop overanalyzing shit! I’d like to take over that title if I could. My goal in life is to piss off Gloria Alred. carry on. jarbaby ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2001, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/3 "2001-07-31T19:45:24Z")
Link, please? ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2001, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/4 "2001-07-31T19:47:37Z")
Oh, I haaaate Camile Paglia! She gives feminists, lesbians and Philadelphians a bad name! It especially pisses me off when I see her as a talking head on film documentaries. Excuse me, I can talk about film history, AND do it without a huge splintery stick up my ass, too! ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2001, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/5 "2001-07-31T19:58:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Link, please? > \*\* Sorry, Guin. No link. I just had VH1 on and she was making quips yet AGAIN about music trends, and it just reminded me how sick I am of her and how she seems to pop up everywhere as a social critic. I’d much rather see Eve. Stick up her ass or no. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Briminator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba9def/32.png) [@Briminator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briminator)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2001, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/6 "2001-07-31T20:00:44Z")
I went to Universty of the Arts in Philly when she was teaching there. AAAAAAAAGH!!! I never took any of her classes because (pardon me cartman) She is a mega mega mega bitch! Eve she doesn’t have a huge splintery stick up her ass, it’s a couple of trees with wildlife still attached. can we deport her please. ---
**Author:** ![Albert\_Rose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Albert\_Rose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Albert_Rose)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2001, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/7 "2001-07-31T23:10:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eve \* > **…without a huge splintery stick up my ass…** If I may, **Eve,** I’d like to suggest this as the title of your autobiography. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2001, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/8 "2001-08-01T01:49:30Z")
And you know Camilla is only there because she likes what men like: porn for example. ---
**Author:** ![Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c67d28/32.png) [@Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weird_AL_Einstein)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2001, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/9 "2001-08-01T02:08:28Z")
She was on VH1? Dammit, I missed it. Well, I’m a fan, and I don’t care if she is talking about pop culture instead of feminist theory. Why should she limit herself? And about this “popping up all over” stuff…where else is she “popping up”? I seem to be missing it pretty consistently. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2001, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/10 "2001-08-01T03:37:05Z")
Camille Paglia is a feminist. We know this because she tell us so, and then proceeds to explain how all the other feminists are doing it wrong. Next week: Teddy Kennedy, representing fiscal conservatives, explains where fiscal conservatism has gone wrong. ---
**Author:** ![shell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/46a35a/32.png) [@shell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shell)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2001, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/11 "2001-08-01T06:52:35Z")
She certainly has degenerated since I started reading her about ten years ago. If she keeps up at this rate I fear she’ll stroke out. Here’s a link to some of her more recent stuff… [http://www.salon.com/directory/topics/camille\_paglia/index.html](http://www.salon.com/directory/topics/camille_paglia/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![magdalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@magdalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magdalene)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2001, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/12 "2001-08-01T15:16:30Z")
Ugh, I checked one of the columns in shell’s link - "Why we need to cut taxes deeper, reexamine American education and tune out “The Sopranos.” Oh, the rambling, the rambling! THE UNHOLY RAMBLING! If she wants to be a commentator, so be it. It shall be as the buzzing of flies in a self-important publication read mostly by weenies. If she wants to be an advocate for certain courses of action, she should revisit Rhetoric 101: \*\*Pick one topic, write a clear, concise, well-supported argument for your position. Keep it to a page. Elegant. Simple. Powerful. \*\* Camille Paglia, Queen of Verbosity, are you paying attention? And the self-promotion, the UNHOLY ARROGANT ANNOYING SELF-PROMOTION! Woman, if anyone is reading your “column,” they know who you are and they know what you wrote. In her diatribe on the Vagina Monologues, Paglia basically says it’s a load of crap masquerading as “empowerment.” I tend to agree - I thought the show was entertaining in places, but largely overdone, and the supposedly revolutionary idea of the play that men have “alienated” women from our vaginas and must somehow “rediscover” them is embraced only by women who couldn’t find theirs with a flashlight and a compass. So why in the middle of this (which is in the middle of a 4 page column about Bush, Hillary Clinton, and Condoleeza Rice) does she need to include this? > [@](#): > > I wrote the controversial first chapter of “Sexual Personae,” which dwells on the horror and brutality of natural cycle, as an attack upon this sentimental complacency. (Probably because of its disturbing material, that chapter, called “Sex and Violence, or Nature and Art,” has gone on to have a life of its own, republished as a bestselling paperback in England and then translated into similar small-format European editions.) A chapter of your book was resold in England and translated in European countries? Wow, that means you MUST be right and 1,000 times more insightful than anyone who has ever lived! That DEFINITELY adds to your point. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2001, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/13 "2001-08-01T19:40:34Z")
Ewwwwww – Camille Paglia. The problem with her is that as others have suggested, she does have some good ideas. We definitely need gadflies to challenge conventional wisdom. _ **However** _… You do nothing for your cause when you hide any reasonable, coherent thoughts in the center of a big steaming pile of crap. As with any debate, the louder you scream, the less logical your arguments appear, regardless of their actual merit. I used to occasionally quote Camille Paglia in discussions of feminism or women’s changing roles. But it’s no longer worth it to have to qualify every one of her statements with, “Of course, I don’t believe everything (most of?) what she says, and on a lot of issues she’s just plain _wrong_.” In a lot of ways, she reminds me of **John Stossel**. Start with a reasonable approach, attacking the established order and providing a fresh perspective, and then go so far over the top that you’re just rambling inanely about the first thing that pops into your head. And we all know where this sort of thing leads… **Andy Rooney**. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/14 "2002-03-23T03:30:59Z")
So what ever happened to Camille Paglia? I haven’t seen her column since well before 9/11. Where did she go? Did she take the hint? ---
**Author:** ![dimsie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/77aa72/32.png) [@dimsie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimsie)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/15 "2002-03-23T04:13:22Z")
I’m totally with magdalene. Not only does she self-aggrandise to an _amazing_ degree, her supposedly wide-ranging ideas are oh-so-predictable. Anyone sexy, male or female, is always of Italian ancestry and/or part of an ongoing ‘pagan’ tradition (whatever the fuck that is). And Jesus, even Guy Ritchie doesn’t publicly and continuously obsess this much over the relative hotness of Madonna. The other incredibly annoying thing about her Salon columns was the way she would publish _only_ the positive response letters from readers - I mean, we all know that _someone_ must have written something that disagreed with her at some point, right? But no, we only saw the stuff from the gushing fans. So much for wanting informed debate with the feminist orthodoxy. Iccchhhhh. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/16 "2002-03-23T05:51:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SpoilerVirgin \* > [BStart with a reasonable approach, attacking the established order and providing a fresh perspective, and then go so far over the top that you’re just rambling inanely about the first thing that pops into your head. And we all know where this sort of thing leads… **Andy Rooney**. \*\* Huh, I always wondered who _60 Minutes_ was going to replace Cantankerous Man with when he finally kicked. Watch out for Paglia starting her speeches and articles with “Have you ever noticed that…?” Say, “rambling inanely about the first thing that pops into your head”…sounds just like the other female Pit _target du jour_, Ann Coulter. Hey Fox Broadcasting! For Celebrity Boxing II: Paglia _vs._ Coulter! For added spice–loser is never allowed to give a speech, appear on TV, or write a book or article ever again! ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/17 "2002-03-23T07:17:26Z")
You know, I never even heard of Camille Paglia until the 2nd semester of school started this year, and my English 111 Prof is not only going to have us read commentary she wrote about “The Birds” (I believe that’s what it is, I haven’t actually bought the book yet…), he also had assigned her life as a research project to some of the students. I didn’t much like her from the small presentation, but figured I’d give her a chance. But so many people here hate her…I’m not a little bit leary of her as well. ---
**Author:** ![DPWhite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d26b3c/32.png) [@DPWhite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPWhite)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2002, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/18 "2002-03-23T08:05:12Z")
Ann Coulter is the secret long lost love child of Camila Pagilia and Stephen Barnes. Think about it, it explains a lot. But what the hell do I know? I think that Fenris and Scylla are each others’ sock puppets. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/19 "2002-03-24T03:01:07Z")
Goddman you DPWhite! This thread pops up in a vanity search and I gotta read the whole thing thinking “Why the hell does my name come up in this?” Then it’s a throwaway comment. You’re torturing me, admit it? I know because I used to do the same thing. I’d wait for the middle of a long and fast-moving thread and then I’d just mention the name esprix, and chuckle while picturing him having to read the whole thread just to find out who was talking about him. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2002, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376/20 "2002-03-24T03:36:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > \*\*Goddman you DPWhite! > > This thread pops up in a vanity search and I gotta read the whole thing thinking “Why the hell does my name come up in this?” > > Then it’s a throwaway comment. > > You’re torturing me, admit it? > > I know because I used to do the same thing. I’d wait for the middle of a long and fast-moving thread and then I’d just mention the name esprix, and chuckle while picturing him having to read the whole thread just to find out who was talking about him. \*\* [Hijack] Psssst… Ctrl+F/Scylla/Find Next is much easier. 🙂 [/Hijack] [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/camille-paglia-shut-up/74376.md?page=2)