Can a "Bouncing Betty " be defused?

The one I mentioned was CSI Las Vegas. I have no clue about CSI Miami. I’ve seen only a small fraction of those episodes, but I haven’t seen one like that.

Nope. Once you’ve found and activated a mine, there is no pause. The soldier wouldn’t be left by himself, he’d be left in pieces.

This is one of the few scenes in movies that legitimately gives me pause . . . and nightmares. I have heard anecdotally (from trusted sources) that this scene was pretty close to real world events on one or two calls, but it does have legs in the case of Brian Wells. The SOP would be to isolate the ‘victim’ away from crowds/property, and try to work an RSP. I recall that in both the movie and Wells’ case, there just wasn’t enough time, and the bomb detonated.

There’s a fine line between “abanodoned” and “positioned,” but this line does not exist in the mind of the hapless, terrified victim.

Tripler
You have do do some acrobatics to get radiography on a human-borne IED.

There was this guy:

Grenades purposefully have delays built into the firing train. You need time for “flight” between letting the spoon fly, lobbing it out, and detonation on your target.

Tripler
Instantaneously-detonating grenades aren’t really . . . “marketable.”

David R. Palmer included this in his novel Emergence as a joke produced by a German soldier during WWII, and the entire story of its provenance is probably fictional, but I would love to learn otherwise:

TO: All Noncommissioned Officers and Below.
FROM: Blitzkrieg High Command Quality Control
Center.
SUBJECT: Hand-Grenade Repair Bulletin Follow-
up.
MESSAGE: In a previous bulletin, ZVP—111000WUB—
827—D, it was reported that certain hand grenades
manufactured by subcontracter Sturm & Drang be-
tween 3 June 1943 and 8 October 1943, bearing
Serial Numbers 87A000—112498BZQ148 through
87A000—112498BZS157 in one-millimeter-high char-
acters on the inside of the release lever, have deto-
nated in 4.91465 seconds instead of the specified
4.97771 seconds. This variation exceeded manufac-
turing tolerances.
Bulletin ZVP—111000WUB—827—D described how
to correct this defect. However, it has been learned
that this bulletin contains a typographical error. If
Step 3 is followed as written, hand grenades so
modified will detonate in .07331 seconds and could
pose a hazard to the user.
All copies of bulletin ZVP—111000WUB—827—D
must be corrected as follows: In Step 3, the word
“left” in the third line should be deleted and the
word “right” inserted. If the corrected instructions
are followed properly, the hand grenades will per-
form satisfactorily.
However, if any hand grenades are observed to
detonate in .07331 seconds, even after being correctly
modified, safety pins and release levers of such hand
grenades must be returned to Blitzkreig Warranty
Center. Upon receipt of safety pins and release
levers, together with Quality Control Follow-up Re-
port Forms filled out correctly, credit will be issued.
Credit will not be issued if forms are filled out
incorrectly.

Leastwise not more than once.

Let me weigh in here. The US M16 mine (and M605 fuze) are near carbon copies of the German Bouncing Betty. When you hear the click (maybe the battlefield is quiet?) events are in motion. From Wiki and the mine tech manual: The freed striker is forced into a percussion cap which ignites a short pyrotechnic delay. The purpose of this delay is to allow the victim to move off the top of the mine, to prevent its upward movement from being blocked. Once the delay has burned through, a 4.5-gram black powder charge is ignited, which launches the inner iron body of the mine up into the air (leaving behind the steel outer sleeve). The charge also ignites a second pair of pyrotechnic delays.

The mine rises to a height of 0.3 to 1.7 meters[1] before one or both of the pyrotechnic delays detonates the main charge of the mine, which sprays high-speed metal fragments 360° around the point of detonation."

There are multiple delays but it does you no good to stand there or run. It’s over quick.

Fascinating safety change almost written in blood. These M16 mine lots get function tested periodically. The delay elements, igniters, expelling charges are all pyrotechnics and as such are hydroscopic (suck in humidity and go pbbbbttt). The mines are set up for initiation with the pull initiator from a bunker 50+ meters or so away. The sequence, timing, and burst height are video monitored using a mirror (kick ass mine, lots of mirrors get wiped out) In the event of a dud, SOP was to wait 30 minutes before investigating the mine. That’s enough time for a few hands of pinochle, spades, or hearts. One time, the game was going hot a heavy and the crew was just stepping out of the bunker at 45 minutes when the mine functioned. The time to investigate was lengthened to one hour.

Sorry wrong post :frowning:

Sorry wrong post again, Can’t get the hang of this editing :frowning: :frowning:

I thought the ‘Bouncing Betty’ armed when you stepped on it, and fired when you stepped off. Appears there are different ones. Some just have a delay fuse that will detonate regardless if you step off or not.

Nope, pretty much same design and function of all the bouncers. The term, “armed” may be messing up the understanding. The mine is “armed” when the safety pin/pins are removed. When stepped on or a pull wire is tripped, the mine is going to explode after a short delay. If the soldier/cow moves off the mine, it will pop up in the air and detonate. If one remains standing on the mine, one pound (~) of explosives detonating is going to elevate the stepper.

What about marketing them to forces that are retreating from an area and expect the enemy to take control of it for the foreseeable future? Leave a few crates of them behind you when you go.

E.g. Project Eldest Son

re Eldest Son. Same program was used in Iraq during the occupation by US forces. Mostly 82mm mortar rounds favored by insurgents.

Also, May I present the Pursuit Deterrent Munition. Also a bounder type. Engineering for a darker future.