They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.
It was a poor decision to have the school shut down for 3 weeks because of this shooting.
Oh, yes, they certainly are quite capable. Unless they work in a primary environment, most adults would be very surprised and even shocked at what children can do.
They are quite capable of killing. They are legally incapable of committing murder.
As as been shown many times over ad infinitum, “legal” and “just” are far from synonymous.
An 8-year-old, possibly a six-year-old, are probably capable of wanting to kill someone, or at least of doing great harm to someone if angry enough. They don’t necessarily have the impulse control to not do it if the means are at hand. And they certainly don’t have a full understanding of the consequences of their actions.
I don’t think the poster is in the US. American defendants sit with their counsel, not in a prisoner’s dock.
Well that, and they are not compelled to testify.
Note the key word “allegedly”. So is CNN suggesting this was fake news?
It’s pretty standard for news stories to use “allegedly” until there is a conviction or guilty plea.
How precocious. Wonder why they didn’t promote him to junior high.
This. It’s standard journalistic procedure – not only because the U.S. legal system has a presumption of innocence, but also to protect themselves against libel lawsuits.
Just to note – the “allegedly” in that headline isn’t that the teacher was allegedly shot, but that the shooter was allegedly the six-year-old.
Came into the thread expecting this to be the newest subtopic of discussion:
I’m surprised if there is not similar law in every state.
I watched the interview. She was pretty compelling about the shock and disbelief of it all. She and her lawyer stayed clear of blaming anyone or speculating about who will be prosecuted and for what.
As to the OP - the 6 year old pointed the gun and pulled the trigger. I think that much is accepted fact. Did he intend to kill her? She was shot thru the hand and into the upper torso - so he was not necessarily trying to wound her with a leg shot, but who knows - it’s all speculation after the fact. No one can know what was going thru his head at that moment. I think a six-year old knows what death is and how to cause it - stepping on bugs or whatnot. But it will be a legal definition that will decide.
As for who is going to be prosecuted - more speculation, but it would seem the weight of justice may fall on the school administration and the parents of the 6 year old.
As it should. I’m just surprised if any state considers it possible for a 6 year old to commit a crime or be held responsible for their actions.
We may not have prosecuted children the physical age of 6 as adults in the US, but we have tried a child with the physical age of 11 and a mental age of seven.
The boy, these experts testified, had an IQ of 70, and at the time of the murder, his thought processes were like those of a seven-year-old.
That said, I think there is zero chance of that happening in this case.
The 3 year old killing her 4 year old sister was discussed in the Stupid Guns News thread.
The boy pleaded guilty to negligent homicide in connection with the death of Tim Romans, 39. Prosecutors dropped a premeditated murder charge over his 29-year-old father’s death in exchange for the plea.
Also found this:
We use data from the sixteen states reporting to the National Violent Death Reporting System (NVDRS) for all years 2005–2012. We read every violent death report that was classified a homicide with a child suspect (aged 0–14). […]
They found twelve instances where a child 10 or younger was a suspect for murder. But they include cases where say, the kid was put in charge of an infant sibling who died under his or her care.
~Max
Found one. From way back, but on point.
~Max