# Can anyone defend the Admin's diplomacy with Iran drive? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2013, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989 "2013-09-30T11:14:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/1 "2013-09-30T11:14:54Z")
The incompetence ohhhhhh the utter incompetence coming out of the Adminiistration. Whoaaaahh, what. A deal on the horizon. It will be interesting to watch how this gets dissed by Obama’s opponents on everything he does: > [@](#): > > John Kerry Says Iran Nears Nuclear Weapons Deal > ReutersSep 29, 2013 > > (Incorporates IRAN-NUCLEAR/ZARIF) > > WASHINGTON, Sept 29 (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said a deal on Iran’s nuclear weapons program could be reached relatively quickly, and it would have the potential to dramatically improve the relationship between the two countries. > > Kerry said intensifying diplomatic efforts to resolve the dispute over Iran’s nuclear program could produce an agreement within the three- to six-month time frame that Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has called for. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/2 "2013-09-30T13:27:40Z")
Moved to The BBQ Pit from Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/3 "2013-09-30T13:36:25Z")
A little respect goes a long way. Treating other nations as equals and not as part of an axis of evil makes a lot of difference in what results you get. If the Iranians are true to their word and dismantle their nuclear weapons program, then let the sanctions end and diplomatic relations resume. It’s a whole lot more cost effective than Chimpy’s “talk brashly and swing a big stick” doctrine. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/4 "2013-09-30T14:02:30Z")
Lotta “could be” and “potential” there, to be making any definitive statements. If what this thread is supposed to be about is pre-emptively bashing Republicans over objecting to a deal with Iran, I think I’ll wait for an actual deal and actual Republican objections, before jumping in. Don’t let that stop y’all, of course. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/5 "2013-09-30T14:08:32Z")
Ok, **gonzo**. Whatever you say. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/6 "2013-09-30T14:11:38Z")
In general I think talking is better than not talking, and talking constructively is better still. Bush including Iran in the whole “Axis of Evil” thing ended up hurting the moderates in Iran and giving ammunition to Ahmedinejad and his cohort, and I would hope that we have learned from that mistake. That said, I too will wait for specific details of the current talks and any deal that comes out of them before deciding who to praise and who to excoriate. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/7 "2013-09-30T15:19:17Z")
I can’t even tell what exactly this thread is trying to pit, but I’m pretty sure if I ever figure out how to parse the OP, I’ll think its stupid. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/8 "2013-09-30T15:29:40Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > I can’t even tell what exactly this thread is trying to pit, but I’m pretty sure if I ever figure out how to parse the OP, I’ll think its stupid. The phrasing kinda reminded me of how W might put it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/9 "2013-09-30T15:40:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Ok, **gonzo**. Whatever you say. I was thinking more **Reeder** , but he’s dead. So you are probably right. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/10 "2013-09-30T15:42:09Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Lotta “could be” and “potential” there, to be making any definitive statements. If what this thread is supposed to be about is pre-emptively bashing Republicans over objecting to a deal with Iran, I think I’ll wait for an actual deal and actual Republican objections, before jumping in. > > Don’t let that stop y’all, of course. Pretty musc my opinion. I have no objection to the idea of diplomacy. I’ll wait and see what the result of the diplomacy turns out to be. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/11 "2013-09-30T15:46:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Iranian President Hassan Rouhani There’s a bit of a clue, right there. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/12 "2013-09-30T15:49:54Z")
The first out of the right wing gate that I heard this AM is that Obama talked on the phone to Israel’s worst enemy and how awful that was. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/13 "2013-09-30T16:23:16Z")
That’s what you get for hanging around right wing gates. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/14 "2013-09-30T17:42:45Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > The first out of the right wing gate that I heard this AM is that Obama talked on the phone to Israel’s worst enemy and how awful that was. Who? Fox News? Rush? Breitbart? Some other mook? Context is important. If it’s just Limbaugh’s usual bitching, not one is likely to give a shit but the dittoheads, and they’re aactually not that large in number. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/15 "2013-09-30T19:19:40Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I was thinking more **Reeder** , but he’s dead. So you are probably right. > > Regards, > Shodan [Really?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16398586&postcount=6) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/16 "2013-09-30T19:24:30Z")
I’m not sure what you mean. Yes, **Reeder** is dead, and yes, therefore **NFbW** is aptly compared with old **gonzomax**. If that’s what you mean, yes, really. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/17 "2013-09-30T19:32:26Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’m not sure what you mean. Yes, **Reeder** is dead, and yes, therefore **NFbW** is aptly compared with old **gonzomax**. If that’s what you mean, yes, really. > > Regards, > Shodan Did you read the link? It was more of a joke than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/18 "2013-09-30T19:43:47Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > The incompetence ohhhhhh the utter incompetence coming out of the Adminiistration. Whoaaaahh, what. A deal on the horizon. > > It will be interesting to watch how this gets _dissed by_ Obama’s _opponents_ on everything he does: Boggles the mind that these people can argue that bullets would be a more suitable starting point than words… :rolleyes: Any of these fine folk guilty of doing a 180 after hammering Obama for threatening to bomb Syria? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/19 "2013-09-30T19:57:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Did you read the link? It was more of a joke than anything else. Okay. Sorry, it was a busy weekend. Still wondering how to use “Iran drive” to defend something. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989/20 "2013-09-30T20:20:24Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Okay. Sorry, it was a busy weekend. > > Still wondering how to use “Iran drive” to defend something. > > Regards, > Shodan Simple: People thought he shouldn’t have done this, but they didn’t understand that he was Iran drive. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-defend-the-admins-diplomacy-with-iran-drive/669989.md?page=2)