# Can anyone suggest some good Sci Fi? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 1, 2012, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458 "2012-03-01T16:11:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/21 "2012-03-02T02:44:08Z")
> [@Archergal](#): > > And if you want aliens that are truly ALIEN, check out Peter F. Hamilton’s books Pandora’s Star and Judas Unchained. It does have a little sciency-wiency so-high-tech-it’s-like-magic stuff. But it’s still good. And the aliens are really strange. Really, really strange. My blood ran cold when I first read those Peter F Hamilton alien descriptions. Hamilton also writes hugely long trilogies. Even if you’re a quick reader getting through one of his three-book stories takes a long time, but it’s a brilliant page-turning ride. For about a month of my life I thought I was reading fantasy before he explained what was going on with science. Quite brilliant if not stunningly hard or original. I’ll add another vote to Iain M Banks. When he includes the M in his name he’s doing sci-fi. Otherwise you be reading something odd. ---
**Author:** ![Archergal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Archergal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archergal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/22 "2012-03-02T03:00:58Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > My blood ran cold when I first read those Peter F Hamilton alien descriptions. Seconded. Creepiest non-human intelligence I can remember. It’s not creepy in a horror kind of way, like the Xenomorph, but in a “Could life actually BE like that???” way. > [@](#): > > Hamilton also writes hugely long trilogies. Even if you’re a quick reader getting through one of his three-book stories takes a long time, but it’s a brilliant page-turning ride. True. He writes Big Honkin’ Books. Luckily this series is just a duology though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/23 "2012-03-02T03:47:37Z")
Two series’ that I’ve enjoyed a lot - Octavia E. Butler’s Xenogenesis series (“Dawn,” “Adulthood Rites,” and “Imago”), and Robert Silverberg’s Majipoor Chronicles (there’s a bunch of them). ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/24 "2012-03-02T04:02:07Z")
Give _Alastair Reynolds_ **Revelation Space** series a try. Fair review here [http://sfreviews.net/revelationspace\_b.html](http://sfreviews.net/revelationspace_b.html) ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/25 "2012-03-02T04:15:34Z")
A one off I recently enjoyed was [Remnant Population](http://www.amazon.com/Remnant-Population-Elizabeth-Moon/dp/0671877704) by Elizabeth Moon. Ignore hideous cover art. Genuinely creepy post-post-post-apocalyptic future, [Winterlong](http://www.amazon.com/Winterlong-Elizabeth-Hand/dp/0061057304) by Elizabeth Hand. [Singularity Sky](http://www.amazon.com/Singularity-Sky-Charles-Stross/dp/0441011799) by Charles Stross. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/26 "2012-03-02T05:10:49Z")
A lot of these suggestions do have hand-wavy science though - pretty much everything set in an interstellar society, for example. Not all characters are adults, but an under-appreciated gem is Michael Flynn’s [Firestar](http://www.amazon.com/Firestar-Saga-Michael-Flynn/dp/0812530063/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330664871&sr=1-1), about a private initiative to restart the space race. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Purl_McKnittington)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/27 "2012-03-02T06:12:31Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > [Lois Mcmaster Bujold](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_McMaster_Bujold)’s Vorkosiverse. Here is a free copy of [The Warrior’s Apprentice](http://www.baenebooks.com/p-1290-warriors-apprentice.aspx) to get you started. If you want something shorter, here is [The Mountains of Mourning](http://www.baenebooks.com/p-622-the-mountains-of-mourning.aspx) instead. All Bujold’s Vorkosigan books are available free [here](http://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/24-CryoburnCD/CryoburnCD/), except for _Memory_. Baen released them on a CD that came with Cryoburn. The books are in anthologies, and I can’t quite remember what order they should be read in chronologically. It starts with _Cordelia’s Honor_ and then _Young Miles_, but after that my memory fails me. It’s either _Miles Errant_ or _Miles, Mystery, and Mayhem_. _Cryoburn_ is the last one, though, and _Memory_ comes before _Miles in Love_. Bujold recently finished a new book about Ivan, too. It’s called _Captain Vorpatril’s Alliance_ and is being published in November of this year. They are _amazing._ Everyone should read them. **madmonk28** , you might like [The Sparrow](http://www.amazon.com/Sparrow-Mary-Doria-Russell/dp/0449912558/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2) by Mary Doria Russell. I found the aliens in that pretty unsettling, and the science is more sociology, anthropology and linguistics than physics. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/28 "2012-03-02T14:36:53Z")
Thanks again, I’ll bookmark this page and start chipping away at the list. If I could ask a couple of questions: 1. Does Heinlein hold up over the years? I always thought he was kind of right wing and mysogynistic (but I’ve never read him). 2. I thought Niven was fantasy? (but never read him) If I could refine my interest even more: 1. How about humans first contacting an alien species, or interacting with a truly alien species (ala Solaris)? 2.What about space explorers instead of space soldiers? What I mean is something akin to Lewis and Clark’s expedition but in space. (that looks really cheesy once it’s written down). 2. Which of the books listed above have plausible space combat (not car chases in space swerving around asteroids)? So everyone stop everything they’re doing to answer my questions so that I can be entertained in the most precise way possible. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/29 "2012-03-02T15:06:40Z")
By your command. 1. Some of it. RAH is definitely not to everybody’s tastes. Mysogynistic? Heavens no. Just the opposite. But he also respects competency over everything else, and it shows in his characters. 2. Niven writes some fantasy, but he is best known as a solid hard-SF author. 1a. Lots of the recommended books have that. **Footfall** , for example, deals with the Earth being invaded by elephants with prehensile trunks and disco shoes. 2a. You want exploring? Try **Ringworld**. 😛 3a. Space combat? Again, **Footfall**. Orion vs Dumbo in a free-fall cage match. Or any of David Weber’s **Honor Harrington** books. Or his **The Apocalypse Troll**. ---
**Author:** ![Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/30 "2012-03-02T15:08:14Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Not all characters are adults, but an under-appreciated gem is Michael Flynn’s [Firestar](http://www.amazon.com/Firestar-Saga-Michael-Flynn/dp/0812530063/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330664871&sr=1-1), about a private initiative to restart the space race. I loved \*Firestar \*- it made me feel like I feel when I watch _The Right Stuff_. I also love Flynn’s novel Eifelheim, which has a first-contact scenario that takes place in a 14th-century German village. For another first contact novel there’s [Blindsight](http://www.amazon.com/Blindsight-Peter-Watts/dp/0765319640/), by Peter Watts. The characterization left me a bit cold, but it has interesting aliens and some fascinating intellectual arguments. The book is largely concerned with how easily our brain is fooled into seeing/hearing/feeling what doesn’t exist, and ignoring what does. You can download it for free here: [http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm](http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm). ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/31 "2012-03-02T15:19:14Z")
Its been mentioned in passing but let me suggest Rendezvous with Rama as probably exactly what you want, an enormous object is entering the solar system and some near future astronauts are sent to investigate. The science on Earth’s end is very hard and its a very unusual story, exploration instead of any real conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/32 "2012-03-02T15:24:00Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Thanks again, I’ll bookmark this page and start chipping away at the list. > > If I could ask a couple of questions: > > 1. Does Heinlein hold up over the years? I always thought he was kind of right wing and mysogynistic (but I’ve never read him). > 2. I thought Niven was fantasy? (but never read him) > > If I could refine my interest even more: > > 1. How about humans first contacting an alien species, or interacting with a truly alien species (ala Solaris)? > 2.What about space explorers instead of space soldiers? What I mean is something akin to Lewis and Clark’s expedition but in space. (that looks really cheesy once it’s written down). > 2. Which of the books listed above have plausible space combat (not car chases in space swerving around asteroids)? > > So everyone stop everything they’re doing to answer my questions so that I can be entertained in the most precise way possible. I can answer a couple of these, at least: I would venture Niven is best known for “hard” SF; in fact I wasn’t even aware he’d done any fantasy until I took a look at his [Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Niven)page. (He actually addressed errors pointed out to him by readers in his _Ringworld_ novel in the sequel, _The Ringworld Engineers_.) Orson Scott Card’s _Ender’s Game_ series addresses first contact with alien species; it begins as space battle, but the later books in the series deal more directly with alien intelligence (they also get more preachy as the series goes on, though). Plausible space combat? I’d say both Haldeman’s _Forever War_ and Scalzi’s _Old Man’s War_ are attempts to be realistic about future battle, including the effects of relativistic space travel. I’ve only read the first installment of the aforementioned _Lost Fleet_ series (_Dauntless_), but that one takes a very realistic view of space battles, where the relativistic effects on the ships involved in battle are actually factored into strategy by the ships’ captains. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/33 "2012-03-02T15:39:57Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Thanks again, I’ll bookmark this page and start chipping away at the list. > > If I could ask a couple of questions: > > 1. Does Heinlein hold up over the years? I always thought he was kind of right wing and mysogynistic (but I’ve never read him). > 2. I thought Niven was fantasy? (but never read him) > > If I could refine my interest even more: > > 1. How about humans first contacting an alien species, or interacting with a truly alien species (ala Solaris)? > 2.What about space explorers instead of space soldiers? What I mean is something akin to Lewis and Clark’s expedition but in space. (that looks really cheesy once it’s written down). > 2. Which of the books listed above have plausible space combat (not car chases in space swerving around asteroids)? > > So everyone stop everything they’re doing to answer my questions so that I can be entertained in the most precise way possible. Okey dokey. 🙂 Heinlein does hold up to some extent; the thing about reading Heinlein is that you’d have a massive hole in your science fiction reading if you never read his books. He’s one of the Grand Masters for very good reasons. The Imago series has very alien aliens - they have three sexes! ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/34 "2012-03-02T15:52:19Z")
> [@Archergal](#): > > I just finished this book recently, and I REALLY enjoyed it. I’m pretty hard to please these days, and I was skeptical at first about a book set within the solar system. But it grabbed my attention and didn’t let it go At. All. Highly recommended. > > And if you want aliens that are truly ALIEN, check out Peter F. Hamilton’s books Pandora’s Star and Judas Unchained. It does have a little sciency-wiency so-high-tech-it’s-like-magic stuff. But it’s still good. And the aliens are really strange. Really, really strange. The Hamilton books would be my first choice, I think they are all pretty brilliant. And he generally has really good strong female characters. Another favorite of mine that is seldom mentioned in these discussions is Kevin J Anderson’s **“Saga of the Seven Suns”** It’s a expansive ( 7 volume ) space opera, easier reading than Peter Hamilton or Ian Banks and it’s a really enjoyable story …it has totally alien elemental aliens as well as evil robots and space gypsies and major political intrigue. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/35 "2012-03-02T15:54:28Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > [Lois Mcmaster Bujold](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_McMaster_Bujold)’s Vorkosiverse. Here is a free copy of [The Warrior’s Apprentice](http://www.baenebooks.com/p-1290-warriors-apprentice.aspx) to get you started. If you want something shorter, here is [The Mountains of Mourning](http://www.baenebooks.com/p-622-the-mountains-of-mourning.aspx) instead. +1 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/36 "2012-03-02T16:00:49Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Thanks again, I’ll bookmark this page and start chipping away at the list. > > 2.What about space explorers instead of space soldiers? What I mean is something akin to Lewis and Clark’s expedition but in space. (that looks really cheesy once it’s written down). The characters are pretty thin (and it’s fairly old) but Hal Clement’s MISSION OF GRAVITY is IMO the gold standard for this kind of book. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/37 "2012-03-02T16:18:53Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > If I could refine my interest even more: > > 1. How about humans first contacting an alien species, or interacting with a truly alien species (ala Solaris)? > 2.What about space explorers instead of space soldiers? What I mean is something akin to Lewis and Clark’s expedition but in space. (that looks really cheesy once it’s written down). Given these two particular interest you pretty much HAVE to read “The Sparrow.” Not only is it an amazingly well written book, but it’s dead on to your interest of civillian space travel and first contact stories. Also “Player of Games” by Ian M. Banks, in particular of the Culture novels already listed. A completely cheesy, bad novel that I yet remember fondly, is Prostho Plus, by cheesemeister extraordinaire Piers Anthony; the adventures of a hapless Earth prosthodontist, who travels the galaxy bravely solving alien dental problems. I wouldn’t pay good money for it but if you can find a copy cheap its good for some lulz. Heinlein is and always will be Heinleinish; he has some odd ideas about women that aren’t precisely mysogynistic, he actually has lots of strong female characters, it’s more his ideas about sex that creepily intrude where they aren’t needed. Him and Piers Anthony are pretty much the Lolita Twins when it comes to obsessing about nubile preteen girls who are just starving for cock, and Heinlein also regularly treats incest approvingly. That doesn’t mean that ALL Heinlein’s work contains these messages or should be dismissed for having them, but caveat emptor when wandering afield from the Juveniles and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (genuinely one of the classic SF novels ever written). Niven in my opinion is better at coming up with ideas than writing books. He does put forth some interesting ideas. It just depends if you’re keen on them being encased in a good novel (which they generally aren’t, IMHO). I think he’s better, often brilliant, in the short story format. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/38 "2012-03-02T17:23:52Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > 1. How about humans first contacting an alien species, or interacting with a truly alien species? Robert J. Sawyer has written some good, entertaining SF, including at least a couple of interesting alien-species-contacts-Earth books: _Illegal Alien_ (a mystery/courtroom drama) and _Calculating God_. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458/39 "2012-03-02T17:26:12Z")
For a funny look at first contact, try [Illegal Aliens](http://www.amazon.com/Illegal-Aliens-Nick-Pollotta/dp/1933274131/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330709091&sr=1-1)by Nick Pollatta and Phil Foglio. ---
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[QUOTE=Elendil’s Heir] Tuf Voyaging by George R.R. Martin - Satirical sf novel about ecological engineering, overpopulation, absolute power and war. Probably my all-time favorite sf book. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I loved this book when I read it in college. Definitely one of my favorites as well. I also enjoyed Starship Troopers on your list. I never really got much out of The Forever War by Joe Haldeman, though I know a lot of 'dopers really liked it. It just didn’t do much for me. -XT [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-anyone-suggest-some-good-sci-fi/614458.md?page=3)