# Can Chuck Hagel upset McCain, and... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 18, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468 "2007-01-18T17:19:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/41 "2007-01-21T04:00:40Z")
[QUOTE=furt] Well, I didn’t necessarily want to bet on the “in a walk” part. I just meant I’d put money on him to win. Given that we’re 18 months out and I’m betting against the field, I think that’s a damn big risk I’m taking. **E-Sabbath** was first in line. $100 on \*\*Guiliani \*\* to win the nomination. Deal? [/QUOTE] _my bolding_ Cool, I hope you win your bet. I really do like Rudy. I hate to nitpick, but if you are betting on him, this is the proper spelling of his name: Rudy Giuliani Jim ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/42 "2007-01-21T04:06:42Z")
Well, I thought you meant the race… but I’ll take the nomination. Now what do you think ‘in a walk’ means? You want to go ‘in a walk’ or ‘just wins’? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/43 "2007-01-21T11:40:27Z")
[QUOTE=furt] Well, I didn’t necessarily want to bet on the “in a walk” part. I just meant I’d put money on him to win. Given that we’re 18 months out and I’m betting against the field, I think that’s a damn big risk I’m taking. **E-Sabbath** was first in line. $100 on Guiliani to win the nomination. Deal? [/QUOTE] **furt** , if you decide you’re willing to take on more exposure on this, I’ve got $50 that says Giuliani doesn’t win the GOP nomination. No ‘by a landslide,’ no ‘in a walk,’ ‘at a dead run,’ ‘barely crawling over the finish line,’ just does he or doesn’t he win the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/44 "2007-01-21T13:12:16Z")
Damn, me too, guys. I’d lay $100 that Rudy isn’t the Nominee anytime. Just let me know what sort of exposure you’re into. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/45 "2007-01-21T16:16:26Z")
What are the odds the Rudy is even going to run? ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2007, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/46 "2007-01-23T04:12:33Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] Well, I thought you meant the race… but I’ll take the nomination. Now what do you think ‘in a walk’ means? You want to go ‘in a walk’ or ‘just wins’? [/QUOTE] Just wins. As I said, I think that’s a bold enough bet this far out. If you don’t want it it looks like others do. Deal? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2007, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/47 "2007-01-23T04:54:31Z")
I’ll take it. Just wanted to nail the details down, as it appeared there was ambiguity. ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2007, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/48 "2007-01-23T08:56:21Z")
How many divorces has Giuliani had? (We’re not talking pretty ones, either.) How many gun-control policies did he advance when he was mayor of NYC? Giuliani has serious, serious baggage. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2007, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/49 "2007-01-23T15:35:50Z")
[QUOTE=Orbifold] How many divorces has Giuliani had? (We’re not talking pretty ones, either.) How many gun-control policies did he advance when he was mayor of NYC? Giuliani has serious, serious baggage. [/QUOTE] Wikipedia says he’s on marriage #3. [Donna Hanover](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Hanover) (the one who was in “The Vagina Monologues” and who he broke up with while mayor) was wife #2, and the former [Judith Nathan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Nathan), who he left Hanover for, is wife #3. Rudy was also alleged to have had an affair with another woman while married to Hanover. Since that transition happened amidst Rudy’s Senate run against Hillary Clinton, there was plenty of media coverage of the whole circus. I’m sure everyone’s oppo research departments already have a full clipping file on Rudy, just in case. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/50 "2007-01-23T15:47:05Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] A Jew? A **New York** Jew? At the top of the Pub ticket? NFW. [/QUOTE] Republicans love Jews. They love Israel. It’s Muslims and rest of the Middle East that they hate. But Bloomberg is solidly anti-gun. Not just a little bit, but a whole lot. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2007, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/51 "2007-01-23T19:37:00Z")
[QUOTE=Unregistered Bull] Republicans love Jews. They love Israel. [/QUOTE] I’m sure they do – in Israel. But there are too many in the religious-right segment of the Pubs’ base who would never vote for any non-Christian for an **American** public office. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2007, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/52 "2007-01-23T23:12:38Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] the former Judith Nathan, who he left Hanover for, is wife #3. [/QUOTE] IIRC, that by itself didn’t get New Yorkers particularly annoyed, but the fact that he’d moved his (then) mistress into taxpayer-funded Gracie Mansion after kicking out his still-wife was major tabloid fodder. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2007, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/53 "2007-01-24T19:59:01Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] IIRC, that by itself didn’t get New Yorkers particularly annoyed, but the fact that he’d moved his (then) mistress into taxpayer-funded Gracie Mansion after kicking out his still-wife was major tabloid fodder. [/QUOTE] The fundies will _love_ that. 🙂 Is Giuliani actually doing the sorts of things involved in getting ready to run for President - like pulling together an organization, and raising money? It’s hard for me to believe he’s going to actually run, on account of stuff like this. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468/54 "2007-01-25T20:35:49Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] IIRC, that by itself didn’t get New Yorkers particularly annoyed, but the fact that he’d moved his (then) mistress into taxpayer-funded Gracie Mansion after kicking out his still-wife was major tabloid fodder. [/QUOTE] Informing his wife about the separation via press conference was also bad form. Although the religious right has ignored such things in the past. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-chuck-hagel-upset-mccain-and/388468.md?page=2)