# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2141 "2018-09-20T22:50:22Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > I don’t know that Kavanaugh did that. Neither do you. Neither does anyone except for Ford and Kavanaugh. Assuming we only count the time since she made her allegations public, she will have had the same amount of time as Kavanaugh. I know that Republicans are desperately trying to avoid investigating the issue. I know that if an investigation would clear Kavanaugh those same Republicans would be desperately trying to force the investigation forward. I’m capable of putting 2 and 2 together. And in this case 2+2 = rapist. > [@](#): > > If she did not realize that by making these allegations public that she would very likely be asked to testify, she needs a better attorney. She still has three full days to prepare even if she wasted Tuesday, Wednesday, and today. I’m sure that there are groups that will pay for the overtime. She wasted those days trying to stay alive in the face of multiple right-wing death threats. She’s wasted them fleeing her house, going into hiding… I suspect she’s had other things on her mind. Like the way Republicans are trying to destroy her life just for speaking the truth. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2142 "2018-09-20T22:50:33Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Are you really not familiar with the multiple hugely embarrassing walk-backs Giuliani has had to do? … I’m at least passingly familiar with his retractions. You asked me to “explain the impact Trump’s lawyer changing his story has on Trump’s credibility.” I wasn’t sure if you were talking about Manafort or Guiliani or something else, so I wrote “I’m not sure of the specifics of what you’re referring to here”. Next time try using a name, or a cite or something if you want me to understand the specific incident(s) you’re vaguely referring to. I’m not going to read your mind. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > … I did notice, by the way, that you implied that Ford’s lawyer “changing” her story would reflect badly on Ford, but Trump’s lawyer changing his story would reflect badly on Trump’s lawyer. … Ford’s story has apparently been told in part by Ford herself and in part by her attorney. The inconsistencies there reflect badly on Ford’s story. If there’s a comparable situation between Trump and his lawyer, then they reflect badly on whatever story they’re trying to jointly tell too. Is that clear enough for you? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2143 "2018-09-20T22:51:37Z")
Yeah, she should’ve been preparing for this her whole life! What a stupid bitch! Didn’t even submit a decent headshot. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2144 "2018-09-20T22:53:19Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > She has a few days. Three days. This “safety” shit is nonsense. Any public figure has cranks out there running their mouths and making threats. She has half of the country behind her and there is not even a good picture of her. Her lawyer could make one phone call and have a team of security at a nice hotel anywhere in the country. > > This is political nonsense. I suspect that if you had multiple people trying to murder you and your family you’d be pretty concerned. But your lack of concern for her wellbeing is very brave of you. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2145 "2018-09-20T22:55:44Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > … just for speaking the truth. You can’t possibly know this, and it’s insane to claim that you do. You can believe her, you can say that you think she’s credible, but when you try to claim with certainty that she is “speaking the truth”, you wander off into fantasyland. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2146 "2018-09-20T22:57:49Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m at least passingly familiar with his retractions. You asked me to “explain the impact Trump’s lawyer changing his story has on Trump’s credibility.” I wasn’t sure if you were talking about Manafort or Guiliani or something else, so I wrote “I’m not sure of the specifics of what you’re referring to here”. Next time try using a name, or a cite or something if you want me to understand the specific incident(s) you’re vaguely referring to. I’m not going to read your mind. Manafor (a) isn’t a lawyer, and (b) isn’t Trump’s lawyer, so I didn’t realize you’d need that spelled out. The person who \*is \*Trump’s lawyer is Giuliani. Who has been in the news recently for the multiple embarrassing retractions he’s had to make. Which was the topic. > [@](#): > > Ford’s story has apparently been told in part by Ford herself and in part by her attorney. The inconsistencies there reflect badly on Ford’s story. If there’s a comparable situation between Trump and his lawyer, then they reflect badly on whatever story they’re trying to jointly tell too. Is that clear enough for you? I think the story they’re trying to jointly tell is: No Collusion! I guess now you think that story’s falling apart (which I agree with). ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2147 "2018-09-20T22:58:08Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > … She wasted those days trying to stay alive in the face of multiple right-wing death threats. … Do you have a cite for this? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2148 "2018-09-20T22:59:33Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You can’t possibly know this, and it’s insane to claim that you do. You can believe her, you can say that you think she’s credible, but when you try to claim with certainty that she is “speaking the truth”, you wander off into fantasyland. Then Republicans are also in fantasyland, because it’s clear from their behaviors that they think she’s telling the truth too. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2149 "2018-09-20T23:00:30Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Do you have a cite for this? here is one from your favorite news source: [Brett Kavanaugh, wife and Christine Blasey Ford all receiving death threats: GRAPHIC LANGUAGE | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/20/brett-kavanaugh-wife-and-christine-blasey-ford-all-receiving-death-threats-graphic-language.html) and yes we cannot tell for sure who is sending the threats to her but I would guess they are not liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2150 "2018-09-20T23:00:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Do you have a cite for this? A cite that she’d like to stay alive or a cite that she’s received death threats? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2151 "2018-09-20T23:09:10Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Manafort (a) isn’t a lawyer My mistake, turns out he did practice law. Withdrawn. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2152 "2018-09-20T23:10:22Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > … and yes we cannot tell for sure who is sending the threats to her but I would guess they are not liberals. You think the people that wrote this to Ashley Kavanaugh were “not liberals”??? > [@](#): > > “Please tell your rapist, lying, cheating, corrupt b—h of a husband to put a bullet in his ugly f-----g skull,” one email read. “My condolences to you for being married to a rapist. Although you probably deserve it.” > > Another email, with the subject line, “Did your know your husband is a rapist???” stated: “Hey b—h, did you know your husband was a rapist before you married him? F–k you and your f-----g family.” > > A third email, typed entirely in capital letters, read, “F–K YOU AND YOUR RAPIST HUSBAND.” > > “F–K YOU, RAPE ENABLING C–T. YOUR HUSBAND IS A LIAR, THIEF, RAPIST AND PROBABLY A PEDOPHILE. BURN IN HELL YOU WORTHLESS F-----G C–T,” the email stated. “MAY YOU, YOUR HUSBAND AND YOUR KIDS BURN IN HELL YOU F-----G PIECES OF TRASH. EAAAAATTTTT S-----------T!!!” ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2153 "2018-09-20T23:11:36Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > A cite that she’d like to stay alive or a cite that she’s received death threats? A cite that she has been unable to meet with her attorneys at a third party location since Sunday and that she has been acting like Bruce Willis in Die Hard in an attempt to “stay alive” as you have been implying. I guarantee that the DNC would pay for Secret Service-style security. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2154 "2018-09-20T23:12:07Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You think the people that wrote this to Ashley Kavanaugh were “not liberals”??? I don’t think he referenced Ashley Kavanaugh in his post at all (his post was 30 words long, so I may have missed it). ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2155 "2018-09-20T23:13:17Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > My mistake, turns out he did practice law. Withdrawn. In your defense, you said “is” a lawyer. I’m pretty certain he “was” a lawyer, but don’t know if he still is. There’s probably some disbarment procedure, but I don’t know how long it takes or if it’s been done yet. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2156 "2018-09-20T23:13:18Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t understand the question? “What if”? Then … I guess that would happen. Are you asking if I think they should, or should not? Or if I think it would reveal the truth of the matter? What’s the question here? In an earlier post Evil Economist said > [@](#): > > Wonder if there’s some sort of investigatory body that could figure out things like the dates things happened? If not, we should form one, and then have them nail down the date. You replied > [@](#): > > Ford doesn’t know, and everyone else she claims was at the party says nothing like that ever happened (at least as far as they know). How do you expect an investigatory body to “figure out” the date, given those parameters? To more simply state what I’m getting at (sorry for the confusion, I should have been clearer): You seem to imply there is no way to figure out what happened, since “Ford doesn’t know”, and I’m suggesting that another way to find out details is to interview others, under oath, who were said to have been there. I’m just asking if you think this is a reasonable idea. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2157 "2018-09-20T23:13:28Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I don’t think he referenced Ashley Kavanaugh in his post at all (his post was 30 words long, so I may have missed it). yes it’s pretty much common sense I was talking about the people who were giving death threats to Ford. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2158 "2018-09-20T23:14:49Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Then Republicans are also in fantasyland, because it’s clear from their behaviors that they think she’s telling the truth too. What behavior makes that “clear”? That they invited her to testify? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2159 "2018-09-20T23:15:14Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > She has a few days. Three days. This “safety” shit is nonsense. Any public figure has cranks out there running their mouths and making threats. She has half of the country behind her and there is not even a good picture of her. Her lawyer could make one phone call and have a team of security at a nice hotel anywhere in the country. > > This is political nonsense. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I know that Republicans are desperately trying to avoid investigating the issue. I know that if an investigation would clear Kavanaugh those same Republicans would be desperately trying to force the investigation forward. I’m capable of putting 2 and 2 together. And in this case 2+2 = rapist. > > She wasted those days trying to stay alive in the face of multiple right-wing death threats. She’s wasted them fleeing her house, going into hiding… I suspect she’s had other things on her mind. Like the way Republicans are trying to destroy her life just for speaking the truth. We don’t know where Ford is staying–in a motel? With friends? But we do know that in addition to the trauma of being the subject of death threats and watching her character being assassinated all over social media (and other media, too), she has no access to materials that anyone facing a Senate grilling about their past would want to access. Presumably a lifetime of her correspondence, journals, yearbooks, agendas, photo-albums, and other items that could help her verify information she’d want to put in her statement, are not available where she’s hiding, now. And the Senate Republicans are going to make a very big deal of _any_ discrepancy in her statement. A misspelled name; a date that’s off by a day; a classmate whose married name she gets wrong—they will trumpet these loud and long. And she’s not in a position to be able to check all these things, because she’s not able to work in her own home. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2160 "2018-09-20T23:15:17Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > A cite that she has been unable to meet with her attorneys at a third party location since Sunday and that she has been acting like Bruce Willis in Die Hard in an attempt to “stay alive” as you have been implying. I guarantee that the DNC would pay for Secret Service-style security. I don’t see how you could guarantee anything for the DNC. But yes, even with (temporary) protection, I suspect that the threat of murder by right wing extremists probably made it difficult to focus on other things. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=107) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=109)