# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 147
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2921 "2018-09-24T03:08:12Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > The most that the FBI would ever find about my false allegation would be that they simply found no corroborating evidence to substantiate my claim. And if the FBI had investigated the Ford allegations they would have talked to Kavanaugh’s classmates at Yale and found that he’d assaulted other women, and that his roommate thought that he was the type of person who would attack women. Which is why Republicans, knowing about the Yale attacks, refused to allow the FBI to investigate, hmmmm? ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2922 "2018-09-24T03:12:22Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > And if the FBI had investigated the Ford allegations they would have talked to Kavanaugh’s classmates at Yale and found that he’d assaulted other women, and that his roommate thought that he was the type of person who would attack women. > > Which is why Republicans, knowing about the Yale attacks, refused to allow the FBI to investigate, hmmmm? Not to mention, putting Mr. Judge under oath might produce some interesting results. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2923 "2018-09-24T03:13:19Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > And if the FBI had investigated the Ford allegations they would have talked to Kavanaugh’s classmates at Yale and found that he’d assaulted other women, and that his roommate thought that he was the type of person who would attack women. But I was reliably informed that you couldn’t investigate this matter! That nothing would come of it! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2924 "2018-09-24T03:16:14Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > But I was reliably informed that you couldn’t investigate this matter! That nothing would come of it! Well, now you have a strong basis with which to judge the competence of the people who made those claims. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2925 "2018-09-24T03:16:55Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > And if the FBI had investigated the Ford allegations they would have talked to Kavanaugh’s classmates at Yale and found that he’d assaulted other women, and that his roommate thought that he was the type of person who would attack women. > > Which is why Republicans, knowing about the Yale attacks, refused to allow the FBI to investigate, hmmmm? Who again is prejudging? You said “found that he’d assaulted other women.” Did you mean to say that someone else came forward at this late hour and made yet another uncorroborated allegation? Further, this proves my point that an FBI investigation is not needed. The media and the Dems are out there trying to dig up anything against Kavanaugh. And again, I haven’t seen anything about it, but if she is a conservative Republican who would otherwise support Kavanaugh but for her allegation, I’ll pay $100 to the charity of your choosing. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2926 "2018-09-24T03:19:26Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Further, this proves my point that an FBI investigation is not needed. Since you don’t know what an FBI investigation would unearth, that seems like a silly claim. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2927 "2018-09-24T03:26:28Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Avenatti is a greaseball lawyer who represents a porn star. I don’t want o make a big deal about this so I’m going to assume this is just an honest mistake… Greaseball is a fairly well known slur against Italians. I would urge you to avoid calling an Italian-American a greaseball. Seriously no good can come of that. I’m just giving you a heads up. You are free to take or leave this advice as you so choose. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2928 "2018-09-24T03:26:58Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > if she is a conservative Republican who would otherwise support Kavanaugh but for her allegation, I’ll pay $100 to the charity of your choosing. According to Avenatti, Kavanaugh and Judge raped enough drunk women that some of them are bound to be Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2929 "2018-09-24T03:34:02Z")
None of this is on his calendar though ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2930 "2018-09-24T03:34:43Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > According to Avenatti, Kavanaugh and Judge raped enough drunk women that some of them are bound to be Republicans. But… but… All those people are liars! And their lawyers, too! ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2931 "2018-09-24T03:47:10Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > …You said “found that he’d assaulted other women.” Did you mean to say that someone else came forward at this late hour and made yet another uncorroborated allegation? Actually, Avenatti is saying MULTIPLE people have come forward, that he has “significant evidence” that both Kavanaugh and Judge, with others, participated in MULTIPLE parties where women who were intoxicated were subject to a “train” of men who gang raped them. He is also saying there are MULTIPLE witnesses who will corroborate this. It has already been posted but since it appears you missed it you can read the tweet with the email embedded [HERE](https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/1044032678951960576). > [@UltraVires](#): > > Further, this proves my point that an FBI investigation is not needed. The media and the Dems are out there trying to dig up anything against Kavanaugh. Actually, I would think you would be calling for a thorough FBI investigation into the charges Avenatti is making because if they prove false, Kavanaugh would get confirmed AND the “greaseball” Avenatti would have his career and credibility completely destroyed. The fact you and so many others are adamant in opposing any investigation makes me wonder if deep down you suspect there is truth to the allegations. If true, that would be very telling indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Modesty\_Blaise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Modesty\_Blaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Modesty_Blaise)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2932 "2018-09-24T03:47:15Z")
Every time I hear a conservative insult Michael Avenatti I just laugh. He’s a “greaseball” or “creepy porn lawyer”. Their guy in the white house was the guy who \*fucked \*said porn star. Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2933 "2018-09-24T03:57:34Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I don’t want o make a big deal about this so I’m going to assume this is just an honest mistake… > > Greaseball is a fairly well known slur against Italians. I would urge you to avoid calling an Italian-American a greaseball. Seriously no good can come of that. > > I’m just giving you a heads up. You are free to take or leave this advice as you so choose. After some quick googling, you are absolutely right. I did not mean any offense by using such a term, and I honestly did not know that it had any racial connotations. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2934 "2018-09-24T03:58:09Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Well, to be fair, your side is calling Kavanaugh, Judge, Smyth, and Meyer all liars. Kavanaugh for sure. We know for a fact that he lied under oath a bunch of times. We knew this before Dr. Ford’s letter made the news. ---
**Author:** ![betonbill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b782af/32.png) [@betonbill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betonbill)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2935 "2018-09-24T04:10:24Z")
I’ll be sure to set my alarm for the morning news shows. Should really be interesting. No matter what you think of him, I’m sure that Avenatti will be on every single TV station tomorrow morning. And the thing is–you can’t shut him up. Unless the hand of Jesus Christ descends and the waters of the Potomic part, I think Kavanaugh is toast. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2936 "2018-09-24T04:24:32Z")
At the end of the day, if, during a high-profile job interview, someone accuses me of sexual assault or attempted rape, I’d be the first person demanding the police investigate, knowing full well I’ve done nothing wrong. If the burden of proof is on the accuser, and I have nothing to hide, I’d be \*begging \*the investigators to find the proof, especially if the accuser said the assault happened over three decades ago. “Clear my name, coppers! I’m clean!” But “Hey, come on now, we don’t need to get the police involved, right?” is something a guilty person says. Whether or not Kav goes down tomorrow or later this week or never, this is terrible, terrible optics for the Republican Party going into the midterms and 2020, for which I say, Good. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2937 "2018-09-24T04:46:59Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > … And now we know that the Republicans were in fact trying to prevent evidence from getting out…they knew there was at least one other accuser, and they wanted to force a vote before the second (and third…) accusers could go public. … Cite for “they knew”? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2938 "2018-09-24T04:56:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Cite for “they knew”? > [@](#): > > Senior Republican staffers also learned of the allegation last week and, in conversations with The New Yorker, expressed concern about its potential impact on Kavanaugh’s nomination. [First paragraph of the article in The New Yorker.](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/senate-democrats-investigate-a-new-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct-from-the-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez) Fourth sentence actually. You really don’t bother reading cites offered, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2939 "2018-09-24T04:56:52Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Cite for “they knew”? From [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/senate-democrats-investigate-a-new-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct-from-the-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez): > [@](#): > > The offices of at least four Democratic senators have received information about the allegation, and at least two have begun investigating it. Senior Republican staffers also learned of the allegation last week and, in conversations with The New Yorker, expressed concern about its potential impact on Kavanaugh’s nomination. Soon after, Senate Republicans issued renewed calls to accelerate the timing of a committee vote. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/2940 "2018-09-24T04:59:26Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > … I just turn on my brain… Whatever that is, got more? Can I slip in their coffee, or what? Shit, maybe better keep some… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=146) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=148)