# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\
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**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3661 "2018-09-26T12:31:55Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Last I heard, the schedule seemed to be:
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> 1. Hold a committee vote Friday morning (lots of time there to assimilate and discuss Thursday’s testimony before voting!)
> 2. Debate on the Senate floor over the weekend, then vote.
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> At this point, I think it’s both a rush before any more shoes drop, and a rush to get Kavanaugh into that SCOTUS photo op on Monday.

Last I heard they were:

1. Not going to subpoena Mark Judge; and
2. Still have released all of his emails (I can use exclamation points too!).

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**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3662 "2018-09-26T12:36:00Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Last I heard, the schedule seemed to be:
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> 1. Hold a committee vote Friday morning (lots of time there to assimilate and discuss Thursday’s testimony before voting!)
> 2. Debate on the Senate floor over the weekend, then vote.
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> At this point, I think it’s both a rush before any more shoes drop, and a rush to get Kavanaugh into that SCOTUS photo op on Monday.

Wonder if thats why the Biden tapes suddenly making the rounds? This they can use to basically deep six any objection from wavering GOP Senators.

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**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3663 "2018-09-26T12:50:52Z")

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Well, the GOP is floating Biden’s shameful performance in 1991 for a couple of reasons, it helps get their current SCOTUS pick seated without much scrutiny and it also delivers a blow to Biden who is a likely frontrunner in a 2020 presidential race.

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3664 "2018-09-26T12:55:27Z")

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> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> But the “first thing you googled” isn’t very convincing. I’m sure the facts are correct. But the facts in the article don’t support your assertion.

This is getting beyond silly but let’s take a step back. In part of post 3610 I said:

> [@Lance\_Turbo](#):
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> A frequent, practiced, binge drinker will get black out drunk often.

You clipped out that part of my post and asked for a cite in post 3612:

> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> …cite please.

I quoted a cite that referenced Dr. Aaron White, Ph.D., senior scientific advisor to the NIAAA director and one of the country’s leading experts on blackouts that nearly matches mt original claim word for word.

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> Dr. White says. “Because memory circuits don’t become very tolerant to alcohol, heavy drinkers who can reach high blood alcohol concentrations and still walk around black out frequently.”

We also have multiple claims, including from Kavanaugh himself, that he was such a drinker. Unless we dismiss all those claims we must conclude that Kavanaugh got black out drunk on numerous occasions.

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**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3665 "2018-09-26T13:07:40Z")

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> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> No, we don’t “know” that. Some posters have speculated that “(don’t recall)” was because he was blackout drunk, but he certainly didn’t SAY that in the email. It’s speculation, not something we “know”.

Three days later. There was an event that occurred while they were admittedly drinking that was important enough that he felt the need to apologize for despite acknowledging that he doesn’t recall the event. He doesn’t recall what happened three days earlier while drinking. In his own words. Also while gambling. And making sure to not tell their wives about what they were up to.

That’s the definition of a blackout.

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**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3666 "2018-09-26T13:15:35Z")

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So the fact he blacked out 20 years after the alleged incident is relevant…how?

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**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3667 "2018-09-26T13:18:01Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Last I heard, the schedule seemed to be:
> 
> 1. Hold a committee vote Friday morning (lots of time there to assimilate and discuss Thursday’s testimony before voting!)
> 2. Debate on the Senate floor over the weekend, then vote.
> 
> At this point, I think it’s both a rush before any more shoes drop, and a rush to get Kavanaugh into that SCOTUS photo op on Monday.

Could also be a rush so they can pick a replacement in the event of a No vote. Days matter.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3668 "2018-09-26T13:18:18Z")

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> [@AK84](#):
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> So the fact he blacked out 20 years after the alleged incident is relevant…how?

It means he’s lying about his drinking habits (and will probably lie about them tomorrow).

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3669 "2018-09-26T13:19:50Z")

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According to [John Clune](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ramirez-lawyer-senate-judiciary-gop-skipped-phone-call-to-get-testimony), Deborah Ramirez’ attorney:

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> “We’ve had a number of e-mail communications with the committee so far, but the difficulty is he every time we try to set up a phone call, the majority party either changes the rules of the phone call or they want additional information as a condition of even having a phone call with us,” Clune told CNN’s Anderson Cooper.
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> He added that when a phone call was finally scheduled, only the Democrats from the committee showed up.

Boy, they’re really shoving her off to the side, the way they did with Angela Wright 27 years ago.

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3670 "2018-09-26T13:20:36Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> The TV just reported that Ford will present sworn statements from an additional four friends of hers that she told about the attempted rape over the last several years.

I don’t think anyone disputes that fact that she told her therapist about this in 2012, so I don’t see that her having told other people afterwards adds anything. If you think that’s significant, can you explain why? Unless “several years” means “decades”.

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**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3671 "2018-09-26T13:33:36Z")

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I wonder what kind of new federal contracts are going to Alaska and Maine in the next year or so.

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**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3672 "2018-09-26T13:35:52Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> According to [John Clune](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ramirez-lawyer-senate-judiciary-gop-skipped-phone-call-to-get-testimony), Deborah Ramirez’ attorney:  
> Boy, they’re really shoving her off to the side, the way they did with Angela Wright 27 years ago.

If she is anything like Angela Wright, who had made at least one previous baseless allegation and had been fired by Thomas for using a slur, the Kavanaugh camp will probably only be too happy for her to testify.  
Nothing suggests Ramirez is similar.

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**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3673 "2018-09-26T13:43:21Z")

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> [@Cheesesteak](#):
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> But 1-4 years before now, which suggests that she’s not making up the story as a result of this nomination.

My apologies if this has been addressed before in this thread of over 3600 posts, but why wasn’t any of this brought up 12 years ago when Mr. Kavanaugh was confirmed to what many consider to be the second highest court in the land?

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3674 "2018-09-26T13:47:23Z")

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> [@Bijou\_Drains](#):
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> I wonder what kind of new federal contracts are going to Alaska and Maine in the next year or so.

Money to build a wall on the border. You do realize that both are border states, right?

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**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3675 "2018-09-26T13:49:29Z")

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> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Money to build a wall on the border. You do realize that both are border states, right?

But those walls will be to keep US citizens from moving to Canada. 😃

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3676 "2018-09-26T13:50:54Z")

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> [@D\_Anconia](#):
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> My apologies if this has been addressed before in this thread of over 3600 posts, but why wasn’t any of this brought up 12 years ago when Mr. Kavanaugh was confirmed to what many consider to be the second highest court in the land?

There was no #MeToo moment 12 years ago, and as bad as it is now for those coming forward with allegations of sexual assault, it was even worse then, with accusers generally treated horribly by law enforcement institutions (and our society in general).

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3677 "2018-09-26T13:52:12Z")

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[https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/as-accusations-mount-three-more-yalies-retract-support-from-kavanaugh](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/as-accusations-mount-three-more-yalies-retract-support-from-kavanaugh)

Several of Kavanaugh’s Yale classmates who had previously signed letters of support and attested to his character have withdrawn that support and are now advocating for further investigation of these allegations.

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**Author:** ![Modesty\_Blaise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Modesty\_Blaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Modesty_Blaise)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3678 "2018-09-26T13:54:22Z")

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> [@madmonk28](#):
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> Well, the GOP is floating Biden’s shameful performance in 1991 for a couple of reasons, it helps get their current SCOTUS pick seated without much scrutiny and it also delivers a blow to Biden who is a likely frontrunner in a 2020 presidential race.

Biden’s performance in 1991 is why he will never be president.

I think a whole lotta people, mostly men are drastically underestimating just how much female rage is going on since the moron in chief stole the white house.

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**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3679 "2018-09-26T13:54:26Z")

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> [@BobLibDem](#):
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> … Republicans know that this is their last chance to put in a Neanderthal on the Supreme Court. Evidently they figure that never controlling the Senate again is a price worth paying to get him on the Court.

Did you feel similarly in 2006? That finally voters were turning to their better angels and retiring those evil Republicans to the ash heap of history, so that Democrats could rule in righteousness forevermore?

“never” is an awfully long time. I wouldn’t count on it if I were you.

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**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\
**Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3680 "2018-09-26T13:59:06Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Whatever. The guy’s a liar. He lied about Trump when he was introduced; he lied about his hard-drinking days in his Fox interview; he’s surely lied about the Manny Miranda hacking; it sure looks like he lied about a raft of stuff during the Bush years.
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> Since the lying about his HS/college drinking was just this week, the 31-35 years is so-what.

What did he say, precisely, that you think was lying about his hard-drinking days during the Fox interview? Have you adopted Lance Turbo’s certainty that he must have blacked out?

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