# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 190
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3781 "2018-09-26T17:22:07Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The whole “Beach Week” thing has been in the news since folks started combing thru his yearbook, though. She wouldn’t have needed to see his calendar. Was it in the news that it was so prominent in his own calendar? It may have been, and I may have just missed it. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3782 "2018-09-26T17:22:59Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > … She says, importantly, there are other witnesses to everything she says in her statement. Yes, she says that, and if it turns out that she can actually provide corroborating witnesses, that would put her in a category significantly more credible than Ford or Ramirez. I find it odd that she did not give their names or anything. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3783 "2018-09-26T17:24:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The answer to your question is in [post #3400](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21229212#post21229212) > > Now, about your last sentence: do you mean that me not being an alcoholic is “not good for democracy”? No. I don’t see an answer there. It is impossible to be ex L.E. and not know people black out. You are more risible than Gonald Drump in front of the UN, in a room without sycophants. What is bad for democracy is that the right is going to go deep to the mattresses just for the F of it, and deny reality. Like you are doing right now. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3784 "2018-09-26T17:26:21Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > If they are true, one wonders why Kavanaugh thought they wouldn’t come out. > [@Shodan](#): > > I can think of several reasons, ranging from “perhaps not true” thru “she didn’t recover the memory until later” thru “it didn’t come out the other times he was investigated” when he first became a federal appeals judge. Emphasis added. If we assume they are true, then “perhaps not true” is not a reason. Nor are the others. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3785 "2018-09-26T17:26:30Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, she says that, and if it turns out that she can actually provide corroborating witnesses, that would put her in a category significantly more credible than Ford or Ramirez. I find it odd that she did not give their names or anything. Not odd at all. She’s holding it back to allow Brett to make a further fool of himself. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3786 "2018-09-26T17:27:53Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > But without false equivalencies how on earth would they have equivalencies at all? You are a songwriter right? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3787 "2018-09-26T17:27:56Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, she says that, and if it turns out that she can actually provide corroborating witnesses, that would put her in a category significantly more credible than Ford or Ramirez. I find it odd that she did not give their names or anything. Maybe they’re not willing to be doxxed and have death threats aimed at them until they’re sure someone’s actually going to listen to their testimony? Just a WAG. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3788 "2018-09-26T17:28:22Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Well, her name had to get out, obviously, so that’s not strange. And once her name was out, people would dig up pictures of her. May as well control which picture of her gets out. … Yeah, the pictures of Ford that ended up getting used were … less than flattering. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3789 "2018-09-26T17:31:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yeah, the pictures of Ford that ended up getting used were … less than flattering. She should be grateful she’s not black. They would have dug as far back in her past as they needed to to find a picture of her in a hoodie in the dark. Maybe holding a gun? (Right wingers love guns unless black people own them) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3790 "2018-09-26T17:31:58Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > No. I don’t see an answer there. It is impossible to be ex L.E. and not know people black out. You are more risible than Gonald Drump in front of the UN, in a room without sycophants. > > What is bad for democracy is that the right is going to go deep to the mattresses just for the F of it, and deny reality. Like you are doing right now. The reality is that I am not “ex L.E.”, and I never claimed to “not know people black out”. Those are figments of your imagination. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3791 "2018-09-26T17:32:10Z")
Kav is not kaving: K\*avanaugh said in a statement released by the White House: ‘This is ridiculous and from the Twilight Zone. I don’t know who this is and this never happened’ \* ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3792 "2018-09-26T17:34:16Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Absolutely correct. But it’s mostly damning now in that it’s a direct contradiction to the Fox News interview. Someone is lying. If he’s lying about one thing, why not another… Not really. The Fox interview did not state that he never drank or made out, he said he never blacked out drunk and did not have sex. It was a carefully crafted lawyers answer at a time when he knew that Avanatti allegations were out there. Unless Avanetti is hiding Kavanaugh’s blood alcohol report somewhere, whether a or how much person is drunk is a subjective assessment anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3793 "2018-09-26T17:34:54Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Kav is not kaving: > > K\*avanaugh said in a statement released by the White House: ‘This is ridiculous and from the Twilight Zone. I don’t know who this is and this never happened’ \* Well, if the allegations are true, he probably doesn’t know her. She’s just some random lower-class girl he drugged, raped, and forgot about. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3794 "2018-09-26T17:34:56Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > She should be grateful she’s not black. They would have dug as far back in her past as they needed to to find a picture of her in a hoodie in the dark. Maybe holding a gun? (Right wingers love guns unless black people own them) It seems like you’re referring to a story, but I’m not clear which one. “hoodie in the dark”? Maybe Trayvon Martin? And I fully support (non-criminal) black people owning guns. I wish more of them would so that Dems would STFU about gun control. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3795 "2018-09-26T17:36:13Z")
There’s also this Kavanaugh excerpt from his prepared testimony tomorrow: > [@](#): > > I spent most of my time in high school focused on academics, sports, church, and service. But I was not perfect in those days, just as I am not perfect today. I drank beer with my friends, usually on weekends. Sometimes I had too many. In retrospect, I said and did things in high school that make me cringe now. But that’s not why we are here today. > **[BK%20Written%20Testimony%20-%20Submitted%20Sept%2026.pdf](https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/BK%20Written%20Testimony%20-%20Submitted%20Sept%2026.pdf)** > > 80.10 KB ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3796 "2018-09-26T17:37:33Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Also, his yearbook listed him as “Beach Week Ralph Club - Biggest Contributor” and has been public info for a while. > > I’ll add that “Beach Week Ralph Club - Biggest Contributor” is more evidence of his excessive binge drinking, but that convo is so yesterday. What’s wrong with “all-american” kids getting together to celebrate the great African-American author of “The Invisible Man”? I call racism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3797 "2018-09-26T17:38:06Z")
If Swetnick’s allegations are true, then there are several then-boys (now men) out there who were involved in (or aware of) gang rape and witnessed Kav and Judge participating. It’s probably too much to hope, but I hope at least one those men might have a bit of human decency and shame and come forward and honestly tell their story. Assuming these allegations are true, it shows one of the things rape culture has in common with the culture of white supremacism – it can make monsters out of otherwise normal and perhaps even decent people. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3798 "2018-09-26T17:38:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Kav is not kaving: > > K\*avanaugh said in a statement released by the White House: ‘This is ridiculous and from the Twilight Zone. I don’t know who this is and this never happened’ \* They have known that it was coming for several days and this is about the least bad claim they could have expected. Again allegation from decades agp. No actual allegation of rape, just , as I said, an invitation to draw inferences. People opposed to him will remain opposed, people supporting him will still do so. And since McConnell made his “come hell or high water” speech after Avanatii made his original claim, I would be surprised if this did make them back out. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3799 "2018-09-26T17:39:09Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, she says that, and if it turns out that she can actually provide corroborating witnesses, that would put her in a category significantly more credible than Ford or Ramirez. I find it odd that she did not give their names or anything. So much for 4chan punking Avenatti. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/3800 "2018-09-26T17:39:25Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Kav is not kaving: > > K\*avanaugh said in a statement released by the White House: ‘This is ridiculous and from the Twilight Zone. I don’t know who this is and this never happened’ \* And if what Kavanaugh is saying is true, then even more reason for an investigation. If someone made false accusations of this type against me, I would be furiously demanding they be held accountable to the fullest extent possible under civil or criminal law. Odd he doesn’t seem to feel the same way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=189) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=191)