# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 224
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4461 "2018-09-27T23:18:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That may well be plausible, doesn’t take much to get a “nickname” amongst high school guys. I mean, fuck just _one_ armadillo… That’s what the elucidator means? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4462 "2018-09-27T23:19:14Z")
Skipped ahead again…sorry. will review when I get the chance. Fucking yes, Kavanaugh nailed it! Nobody changed their view. 54-46. Confirmation Kavanaugh. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4463 "2018-09-27T23:20:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If the Senators really wanted to get to the truth of this, they could subpoena Mark Judge as well as ask the other accusers to testify under oath. Kavanaugh’s misrepresentation of the other witness statements is one of the reasons I think he is lying. Mark Judge didn’t even give a denial under oath. And even if he had, Kavanaugh damn well understands the difference between a brief written statement and testimony from a live witness. So it is totally disingenuous to say there is no need to call him. Same with the others. He is a smart federal judge. He knows better. There was nothing even close to such dissembling in Ford’s testimony, while Kavanaugh repeated that canard a dozen times, among other misleading statements and probable lies. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4464 "2018-09-27T23:21:08Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Fucking yes, Kavanaugh nailed it! Nobody changed their view. 54-46. Confirmation Kavanaugh. …did they vote??? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4465 "2018-09-27T23:22:02Z")
Putting aside the events of the allegations themselves, I thought Kavanaugh’s most blatant dishonesty was about his drinking and about “Renate Alumni”. And neither of those things would be disqualifying if he were honest about it. But, IMO, he was very clearly lying about both of those things. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4466 "2018-09-27T23:23:02Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …did they vote??? No one’s voted yet; I think he’s making a prediction. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4467 "2018-09-27T23:24:12Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Skipped ahead again…sorry. will review when I get the chance. > > Fucking yes, Kavanaugh nailed it! Nobody changed their view. 54-46. Confirmation Kavanaugh. 3 dems? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4468 "2018-09-27T23:24:31Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …did they vote??? No. Committee vote tomorrow morning (if they have the votes, that is), full Senate vote next week if it gets out of the Judiciary committee. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4469 "2018-09-27T23:24:40Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > 3 dems? That’d be 3 – it’s 51-49 right now. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4470 "2018-09-27T23:25:12Z")
Beat you to it! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4471 "2018-09-27T23:25:48Z")
D’ohhh! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4472 "2018-09-27T23:27:37Z")
I was unable to listen to the whole thing, but can anyone answer: 1. Did the Republican stand-in attorney ask Ford if her memory of the event had been ongoing from when it happened or a memory that was recovered during a therapy session? 1a. If she didn’t ask that, am I stupid for thinking she should have? 1. How was Flake? I think this whole thing could have been avoided and just have Flake ask questions. I believe he is the only one on the committee who is on the fence. (Yeah, I know everyone wants to hear the the whole thing, but in terms of the vote tomorrow.) ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4473 "2018-09-27T23:28:20Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I suspect that behind the scenes once they got a sense of exactly how it was probably going to go down they made the decision to bring in someone from the outside. Because they aren’t completely stupid. …yeah, about that: > [@](#): > > Senate GOP Whip John Cornyn explaining why Rachel Mitchell stopped asking Qs partway through: “Frankly, I think there was some frustration among the senators that they thought there were arguments that needed to be made, that she frankly was not equipped to make.” > From everything I heard Rachel Mitchell did her job as well as one would expect. And if she wasn’t there to question Ford it would have been a shit-show-from-hell. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4474 "2018-09-27T23:29:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If the Senators really wanted to get to the truth of this, they could subpoena Mark Judge as well as ask the other accusers to testify under oath. They _don’t_ want that, of course. They want to ram his confirmation through so they can make sure women don’t have the free agency to ever inconvenience a member of the aristocracy ever again. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4475 "2018-09-27T23:30:24Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > That’s what the elucidator means? Actually, got a lot of respect in high school, maybe part because I’d been there for six years. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4476 "2018-09-27T23:31:09Z")
Geraldo Rivera expressing disgust about the process and saying that this was an attempted Dem “coup.” Thought that Kavanaugh was done at noon today, but has reversed. \*Still haven’t read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4477 "2018-09-27T23:31:53Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I was unable to listen to the whole thing, but can anyone answer: > > 1. Did the Republican stand-in attorney ask Ford if her memory of the event had been ongoing from when it happened or a memory that was recovered during a therapy session? > > 1a. If she didn’t ask that, am I stupid for thinking she should have? > > 1. How was Flake? I think this whole thing could have been avoided and just have Flake ask questions. I believe he is the only one on the committee who is on the fence. (Yeah, I know everyone wants to hear the the whole thing, but in terms of the vote tomorrow.) 1. I followed the morning testimony on twitter, and I don’t recall any question like that. 2. Flake barely spoke, and his only statement IIRC was to advocate caution and to say that they were only a group of flawed Senators making a very difficult decision based on some very difficult testimony. Decent sentiment, but nothing that actually provides any helpful info, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4478 "2018-09-27T23:32:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > 1. I followed the morning testimony on twitter, and I don’t recall any question like that. > > 2. Flake barely spoke, and his only statement IIRC was to advocate caution and to say that they were only a group of flawed Senators making a very difficult decision based on some very difficult testimony. Decent sentiment, but nothing that actually provides any helpful info, IMO. Thanks. Flake didn’t ask any questions? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4479 "2018-09-27T23:34:07Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Thanks. Flake didn’t ask any questions? No. I don’t think he spoke at all in the morning session with Ford, and he didn’t ask Kavanaugh any questions. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4480 "2018-09-27T23:35:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I was unable to listen to the whole thing, but can anyone answer: > > 1. Did the Republican stand-in attorney ask Ford if her memory of the event had been ongoing from when it happened or a memory that was recovered during a therapy session? > > 1a. If she didn’t ask that, am I stupid for thinking she should have? > > 1. How was Flake? I think this whole thing could have been avoided and just have Flake ask questions. I believe he is the only one on the committee who is on the fence. (Yeah, I know everyone wants to hear the the whole thing, but in terms of the vote tomorrow.) 1. No, Rachel Mitchell did not ask that question. 1a. I won’t comment on your stupidity for asking, but it is clear from the record of Blasey Ford’s testimony that this is not an incident that she forgot for a single moment since it happened. No need to elicit a memory that never left – even if one would wish to forget it. 1. Flake seems subdued and thoughtful, but I fully expect him to vote to get it out of committee and on to a confirmation vote next week. The confirmation vote… I think is more iffy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=223) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=225)