# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 241
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4801 "2018-09-28T14:43:47Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So let me ask you: Did Ford lie when she said she was 100% certain her memory was correct about Kavanaugh being the attacker? She has a BA, MA, and PhD in psychology. Does she not know that we can never be 100% certain about a memory? Did Kavanaugh lie when he said Trump performed the single most exhaustive Supreme Court Justice nomination process in the history of our country? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4802 "2018-09-28T14:44:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t generally accuse people of lying unless I have direct evidence that they deliberate said something they knew was untrue. > So let me ask you: Did Ford lie when she said she was 100% certain her memory was correct about Kavanaugh being the attacker? She has a BA, MA, and PhD in psychology. Does she not know that we can never be 100% certain about a memory? (No, I would not say she was lying by saying that, in case you were wondering.) This is silly as fuck. She knows that people can be simultaneously 100% certain about a memory and wrong about that memory. That’s not the same thing as knowing that no one can be 100% certain of a memory. There’s no way you can twist that into a lie. Kavanaugh, on the other hand, lied about a bunch of little things that he didn’t really even need to lie about. Beach Week Ralph Club, Renate, Devil’s Triangle, boofing, etc. This guy chose to give ‘innocent’ answers to sticky questions without regard for the truth. He lied his ass off. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4803 "2018-09-28T14:44:44Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > This is what I’m talking about. Why should Americans respect the SCOTUS or Congress or the process once Kavanaugh is placed on the Supreme Court? It’s part of a long downhill slide. I have some modicum of respect (not a lot, but some) for John Roberts – despite my disagreeing with virtually all his political views – for his efforts trying to bolster the court’s reputation as having at least some vestiges of an actual institution of justice. I’m sure he’s appalled by this partisan circus. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4804 "2018-09-28T14:45:02Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > … At least there’s always Canada ☹ In spite of their nice-guy routine, those Canadians are tough cookies when it comes to immigration. Good luck getting in. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4805 "2018-09-28T14:45:06Z")
[Jeff Flake knows he’s about to do something wrong by voting to confirm](https://apnews.com/e42763a9d9654eb8814a10c689b4802c/'Look-at-me:'-Women-confront-Flake-on-Kavanaugh-support): > [@](#): > > Soon after Republican Sen. Jeff Flake announced he’d vote to confirm Kavanaugh, two women cornered him in an elevator as he headed back to the Senate Judiciary Committee. > > Through tears, the women implored him to change his mind about his Kavanaugh vote. > > The confrontation could be seen in TV footage blocking the Arizona senator from closing the elevator door. One woman begged Flake to look him in the eye. She said: “Look at me and tell me that it doesn’t matter what happened to me.” > > Another woman said Flake was allowing someone who “violated someone” to serve on the Supreme Court. Both women cried as they spoke to him. Flake did not respond. He looked at them, and looked at the ground as he listened. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4806 "2018-09-28T14:46:08Z")
I’ll go further, **John Mace** – Ford’s statement of certainty and Kavanaugh’s explanations about the Renate thing are more than not remotely comparable – it’s disgusting to even try to present them as comparable. One is an obvious lie meant to cast doubt on apparent misogyny in an effort to counter an allegation of sexual assault, and the other is an assertion of confidence about one’s memory of that sexual assault. Seriously. Just be human here. That post is far beneath your usual standards, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4807 "2018-09-28T14:46:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This strikes me as a really silly quibble. Do you believe Kavanaugh didn’t lie about the Renate thing and binge drinking yesterday? If you think he lied, as I did, then he broke the law yesterday. I felt he was coming up with some absurd explanations about things he was being asked: Yearbook page – Not me. Editors were influenced by teen party movies. Boofed Yet – Said Boofed meant farting. (I remember boof meaning sex) Devils Triangle – Drinking game (common meaning was 3-way sex) Renate Alumni – She was such a nice girl, I wanted to honor her Survived FFFFFForth of July – Kidding about the way someone said FFFFFFuck. (What does that mean? Fuck Forth of July?) Ralph Club – Not throwing up from excessing drinking. I have a sensitive stomach and throw up easily from even spaghetti with sauce. Never passed out from drinking – I sometimes fall asleep All that sounds made up to me. It’s “explanations” for people looking for anything to hang onto. Not much of it can be proven either way, so it won’t matter. I suppose the FFFFFFFuck thing he said Squi said could potentially be verified if anyone remembers it. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4808 "2018-09-28T14:46:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Agreed-- he seems to be pointing out that seniors could legally buy beer, and thus beer was available. He never says, “_I_ could legally drink,” but simply points out that since seniors could legally buy beer, beer was easily available at parties. Availability was never in question or doubt. He’s clearly trying to imply that because “seniors were legal”, it was legal for him to drink. The truth is, only some seniors were legal—the 18 year olds. Probably half or more were 17, including him. He used the same talking point in his Fox News interview. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4809 "2018-09-28T14:48:38Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > In spite of their nice-guy routine, those Canadians are tough cookies when it comes to immigration. Good luck getting in. Yup, well aware of that lol Thus my earlier statement saying it was down to marriage for my way in. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4810 "2018-09-28T14:49:12Z")
I must say, this whole thing is making Kavanaugh look bad, Grassley look worse, and Graham look unhinged. Someone gets involved with Trump in any way and they increase their chances of flaming out. Kavanaugh, Flynn, Cohen, Manafort, should all be an example to Ryan and McConnell. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4811 "2018-09-28T14:49:16Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Thanks, but I wasn’t trying to be generous. Neither was I. But the response I wanted to give would have earned me a warning, so there you go! ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4812 "2018-09-28T14:51:26Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Survived FFFFFForth of July – Kidding about the way someone said FFFFFFuck. (What does that mean? Fuck Forth of July?) > **[Judge Kavanaugh's answer to F F F F question at Dr. Christine Blasey Ford...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/27/1799376/-Judge-Kavanaugh-s-answer-to-F-F-F-F-question-at-Dr-Christine-Blasey-Ford-hearing-today)** > > This afternoon (9/27/2018) a senator asked Judge Kavanaugh what he meant when he wrote F F F F in a high school document. > > Kavanaugh answered it was a silly noise shared by his friends, that sounded something like “ffffffff”.  I am not sure... ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4813 "2018-09-28T14:51:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ll go further, **John Mace** – Ford’s statement of certainty and Kavanaugh’s explanations about the Renate thing are more than not remotely comparable – it’s disgusting to even try to present them as comparable. One is an obvious lie meant to cast doubt on apparent misogyny in an effort to counter an allegation of sexual assault, and the other is an assertion of confidence about one’s memory of that sexual assault. > > Seriously. Just be human here. That post is far beneath your usual standards, IMO. I wasn’t presenting them as being comparable. That’s something you are saying. I was trying to understand what your standard was for determining if someone was lying while giving you insight into what my standard was. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4814 "2018-09-28T14:52:14Z")
I also never want to hear WWC MAGAts bitching about ‘liberal elites’ ever again. They’ve taken this entitled Georgetown Prep rich preppy scum, this country club kid, and gotten behind him all the way. Fuck that noise. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4815 "2018-09-28T14:52:57Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > In spite of their nice-guy routine, those Canadians are tough cookies when it comes to immigration. Good luck getting in. Net migration per 1000 inhabitants (2007-2012): Canada 33.84 United States 15.94 > **[List of sovereign states by net migration rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate)** > > This is a list of countries by net migration rate, the difference between the number of people entering and leaving a country during the year, per 1,000 people (based on mid-year population). > An excess of people entering the country is referred to as net immigration (e.g., 3.56 migrants/1,000 population). an excess of people leaving the country as net emigration (e.g., -9.26 migrants/1,000 population). The net migration rate indicates the contribution of migration to the overall level of popula... Maybe the problem you’re seeing is that far-right American conservatives may not meet certain immigration criteria. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4816 "2018-09-28T14:53:54Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I wasn’t presenting them as being comparable. That’s something you are saying. I was trying to understand what your standard was for determining if someone was lying while giving you insight into what my standard was. We’re just talking here. I’m not saying I’m absolutely certain of anything that’s outside of my own experience. But I think it’s pretty clear Kavanaugh was lying about that. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4817 "2018-09-28T14:54:35Z")
Note to Trudeau: No, we are not paying for your fucking wall! ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4818 "2018-09-28T14:55:14Z")
good comment from Dan Rather on twitter: Democratic officials have long bemoaned that the Supreme Court was not a rallying cry to drive Democratic voters to the polls. It would seem to me that calculus is no longer operative. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4819 "2018-09-28T14:56:33Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Note to Trudeau: No, we are not paying for your fucking wall! It’s just going to melt, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/4820 "2018-09-28T15:03:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Agreed-- he seems to be pointing out that seniors could legally buy beer, and thus beer was available. He never says, “_I_ could legally drink,” but simply points out that since seniors could legally buy beer, beer was easily available at parties. This type of lawyerly weasling is bothersome when it occurs on the SDMB. It is especially troublesome by a potential Supreme. He intentionally obscures the drinking age issue, and does not address the issues involved in his regularly drinking (and apparently to excess) when he was a minor. Whether ETOH was readily available, it was unquestionably illegal for him to drink it. I’m astounded that I have not read/seen more discussing the judicial temperament displayed during his opening tantrum. :eek: While people can argue about any number of issues, I question how ANYONE could consider that display “judicial.” And don’t talk to me about the unusual and stressful circumstances. Supremes ought to be able to conduct themselves appropriately in stressful and extreme situations. What he displayed is an individual who has difficulty controlling his emotions, and who suspects some “conspiracy” by Democrats and the Clintons. If he cannot keep those out of his confirmation hearing, why ought we expect he can keep them out of future deliberations? I’m strongly supportive of the “right” of sitting presidents to nominate to the Fed Cts, and I think Senatorial confirmation should be a relatively low bar. But the nomination of such a political partisan (considering his past experience as well) is quite striking - and not desirable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=240) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=242)