# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 273
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5442 "2018-10-01T13:04:46Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Wow, lots of info there that looks like Ford lied under oath. Just so I’m clear, we can’t conclude Kavanaugh lied even though you acknowledge that there is no alternative explanation to explain some of his comments other than to say that he lied; but, you leave open the possibility of alien abduction or something so it’s incorrect to say that he lied. But we can conclude Ford lied because some dude on 4chan posted something about a door? ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5443 "2018-10-01T13:09:19Z")
ISTM that investigators paying a visit to Dr Ford’s home might be a way to evaluate the two door issue. Ford implied that her desire for the second door was related to anxiety/claustrophobia as a result of the attack. She made it a point. To be useful as a second exit it would need to connect to the interior of the residence. If the second front door only accesses a rental unit then her claim doesn’t make much sense. If the second front door accesses the main residence then it would tend to lend credence to her claim. If only some sort of investigators had met her in California before the hearing. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5444 "2018-10-01T13:12:34Z")
No no no, you’re _thinking_ about it. That’s already giving it far more credence than is reasonable. The correct response to someone posting a link to /pol/ in lieu of a serious argument is to laugh at that person until they go away. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5445 "2018-10-01T13:41:22Z")
Been posted elsewhere as well. Mostly right wing sites and I cannot ascertain if they just plagerised off 4Chan, but the claim has been around. Also the claim that her therapist was her house guest/tenant. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5446 "2018-10-01T13:46:05Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Been posted elsewhere as well. Mostly right wing sites and I cannot ascertain if they just plagerised off 4Chan, but the claim has been around. Let us know when it shows up on a site that **doesn’t** mindlessly repeat stuff from even less credible sites. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5447 "2018-10-01T13:48:06Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Been posted elsewhere as well. Mostly right wing sites and I cannot ascertain if they just plagerised off 4Chan, but the claim has been around. Also the claim that her therapist was her house guest/tenant. Have they gotten to the lesbian part yet? But yeah, if there’s anything to this, it’ll be in the WaPo and NYT in no time. Until then, no reason to give it any credence. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5448 "2018-10-01T13:48:48Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Been posted elsewhere as well. Mostly right wing sites and I cannot ascertain if they just plagerised off 4Chan, but the claim has been around. Also the claim that her therapist was her house guest/tenant. The Gateway Pundit is _not better_. The only advantage we have there is that we _know_ whoever is posting there is a lying sack of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5449 "2018-10-01T13:49:22Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > Ford implied that her desire for the second door was related to anxiety/claustrophobia as a result of the attack. She made it a point. To be useful as a second exit it would need to connect to the interior of the residence. > > If the second front door only accesses a rental unit then her claim doesn’t make much sense. If the second front door accesses the main residence then it would tend to lend credence to her claim. Wanting a separate entrance for the rental unit is completely consistent with her claims. Allow me to speculate… they were converting part of their house to a rental unit. She didn’t want a tenant she barely knew to be able to directly access her living space because of a trauma in her past and insisted on a separate enterance. Her husband, unaware of the trauma, insisted that tenants would be screened and couldn’t understand why she was making a big deal about this. That’s when she told him about the assault. Is any part of that unbelievable? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5450 "2018-10-01T13:55:59Z")
The fact that a claim has ‘been around’ means nothing. Hell, Rush Limbaugh might repeat it today for all we know: it’s not like he’s ever bothered to verify any of the stuff he picks up and includes in his daily 3-hour rant. This routinely happens in the right-wing bubble. They repeat stuff like this because they **want** it to be true, not because anyone’s ever bothered to check and see if it IS true. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5451 "2018-10-01T14:01:23Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Wanting a separate entrance for the rental unit is completely consistent with her claims. > > Allow me to speculate… they were converting part of their house to a rental unit. She didn’t want a tenant she barely knew to be able to directly access her living space because of a trauma in her past and insisted on a separate enterance. Her husband, unaware of the trauma, insisted that tenants would be screened and couldn’t understand why she was making a big deal about this. That’s when she told him about the assault. > > Is any part of that unbelievable? So, the theory of these 4Chan investigative geniuses is, she went through all this brouhaha just to try to avoid getting fined for having an illegal rental unit? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5452 "2018-10-01T14:04:30Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > The Gateway Pundit is _not better_. The only advantage we have there is that we _know_ whoever is posting there is a lying sack of shit. Reddit actually and I don’t think the link was to Gateway Pundit, but I’ll recheck. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Have they gotten to the lesbian part yet? > > But yeah, if there’s anything to this, it’ll be in the WaPo and NYT in no time. Until then, no reason to give it any credence. You know MSM lies!;)😃 Seriously, the 2008 claim is not just 4Chan, it was first reported buried in a[story in what appears to be a local paper](https://padailypost.com/2018/09/25/building-permit-shows-christine-blasey-ford-really-did-put-a-backdoor-on-her-bedroom/), a story otherwise favourable, and really only gained traction later on post her testimony. > [@](#): > > Permits **from 2008 show** that Ford and her husband renovated their Eichler-style house in south Palo Alto’s Greenmeadow neighborhood to include an exit door in the master bedroom. The paper could be wrong, and on its own its nothing. But, considering she was pretty adamant as to when she spoke to her therapist, well the 4 year delay seem odd. It would be something that she might be asked about. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5453 "2018-10-01T14:05:30Z")
Crazy thought, but just occurred to me and gave me a ray of hope. I’ve long been fearful that a coalition of Dems and sane folk will turn out next month. And I can easily imagine Trump getting re-elected in 2020. Not to underestimate the significance of a horrible Supreme like Kavanaugh, but II’m wondering if what I see as the likelihood of his nomination will be at least SOMEWHAT lessened by the effect it has in motivating Dem voters this fall and in 2020. Call me a cockeyed optimist… ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5454 "2018-10-01T14:14:57Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > … I’m wondering if what I see as the likelihood of his nomination will be at least SOMEWHAT lessened by the effect it has in motivating Dem voters this fall and in 2020. Call me a cockeyed optimist… Yes it will. But marginally as that enthusiasm has been there (see special elections). And the other side of the coin is the effect of motivating a circle the wagons GOP mindset on GOP voters who were not so enthused. Likely different impacts on different races. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5455 "2018-10-01T14:16:06Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Reddit actually and I don’t think the link was to Gateway Pundit, but I’ll recheck. > You know MSM lies!;)😃 > Seriously, the 2008 claim is not just 4Chan, it was first reported buried in a[story in what appears to be a local paper](https://padailypost.com/2018/09/25/building-permit-shows-christine-blasey-ford-really-did-put-a-backdoor-on-her-bedroom/), a story otherwise favourable, and really only gained traction later on post her testimony. > The paper could be wrong, and on its own its nothing. But, considering she was pretty adamant as to when she spoke to her therapist, well the 4 year delay seem odd. It would be something that she might be asked about. I’ve totally lost track of your point here. So she insisted on a back door to her bedroom back in 2008. Could you please spell out why that’s a problem? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5456 "2018-10-01T14:33:11Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The paper could be wrong, and on its own its nothing. But, considering she was pretty adamant as to when she spoke to her therapist, well the 4 year delay seem odd. It would be something that she might be asked about. If she suffered an assault that bothered her 20 years later, it’s not even a little bit odd if it bothered her 24 years later. Can you spell out exactly what you think the timeline is here and how you think it is in any way inconsistent with her testimony? ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5457 "2018-10-01T14:43:32Z")
An extra exit door direct from her master bedroom could be pointed at as a material action she took as a response to being attacked. And any corroborating actions which took place prior to Kavanaugh’s appointment to the D.C. court could not be so easily ignored by some as a political hit job. Absent contemporaneous corroboration of his involvement in a sexual asssult Kavanaugh is likely to be confirmed. So it behooves those interested in keeping an open mind to look at any details to see if they can be independently confirmed. If only the FBI background investigators had supeona power. Anyone know of any other investigstors involved in this matter who do have subpoena power? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5458 "2018-10-01T15:07:19Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Wanting a separate entrance for the rental unit is completely consistent with her claims. > > Allow me to speculate… they were converting part of their house to a rental unit. She didn’t want a tenant she barely knew to be able to directly access her living space because of a trauma in her past and insisted on a separate enterance. Her husband, unaware of the trauma, insisted that tenants would be screened and couldn’t understand why she was making a big deal about this. That’s when she told him about the assault. > > Is any part of that unbelievable? No, that makes too much sense. You’ll never get a story like that to get traction on 4chan. Maybe if you were to throw in speculation about a basement used for child trafficking this story would have legs. ---
**Author:** ![sweepkick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweepkick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweepkick)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5459 "2018-10-01T15:57:44Z")
4chan? I prefer my cites from Free Republic. Much more credible. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5460 "2018-10-01T16:15:42Z")
Can anybody give me a reason why I shouldn’t just lock this thread and declare a time out? No ones listening and we have 4chan being cited. None of that leads to real debate. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5461 "2018-10-01T16:15:43Z")
> [@sweepkick](#): > > 4chan? I prefer my cites from Free Republic. Much more credible. I know people with acute paranoid delusion who are reliably more credible than 4chan. But it seems a lot of people are just genuinely unaware of what 4chan actually is: edgelords, shitlords, and trolls. Period, full stop, end of. Not “some people there.” Not “a lot of people.” Not “people I disagree with.” _All of them._ 4chan literally exists only for shitposting, and any time some poor schlub or grandpa takes the bait, I cringe a little harder. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=272) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=274)