# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 276
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5502 "2018-10-01T20:11:22Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > You have to have better things to do than play this groundhog day sad trombone all the time. (post shortened) What is a “groundhog day sad trombone”? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5503 "2018-10-01T20:13:22Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > But shouldn’t the Democrats be demanding that this claim should also be investigated by the FBI? You think that a woman’s credible story of sexual assault is equivalent to a 4chan post? Are you being serious right now? Because if you are it’s fucking disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5504 "2018-10-01T20:14:14Z")
It seems to me that having k on the court would present another problem: His best buddy, and fellow accused rapist, is a published novelist, about drunken stuff in high school. How does that relationship go if k is on the court and judge needs something really badly? Lets say that judge already lied about stuff to get him on the court in the first place. It seems to me that they already advertised that ethics is not the main concern here. If that guy gets on there the republicans will be asking for it. I thought that a scotus judge needed to be above even the appearance of such things. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5505 "2018-10-01T20:15:16Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > What is a “groundhog day sad trombone”? Repetitive whining about fake stuff. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5506 "2018-10-01T20:17:36Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > This is what I’m asking about. The stuff on 4chan, even if it isn’t doctored, corroborates her testimony. What are people seeing that makes them think the opposite is true? What some of us are saying is that if it’s got any validity, it’ll show up in a more reliable source. If it doesn’t, it won’t. If the best available cite for some alleged info is 4chan, I’m not even going to look at it to see what it says. I can wait for a few hours for it to pop up in a real news medium. And in the meantime, I’ll give 4chan its appropriate due by ignoring it. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5507 "2018-10-01T20:25:02Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > But shouldn’t the Democrats be demanding that this claim should also be investigated by the FBI? Because there’s already a far more compelling claim, from a far more reliable source, already on the table. Also, you’re a disgusting human being. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5508 "2018-10-01T20:27:09Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > But shouldn’t the Democrats be demanding that this claim should also be investigated by the FBI? What claim? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5509 "2018-10-01T20:29:23Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > But shouldn’t the Democrats be demanding that this claim should also be investigated by the FBI? Aren’t the Democrats doing everything to discover the truth? Isn’t “Anything to delay the confirmation,” or “Resist”, the new mantra of the Democrat Party? > > You can chose to waste your time anyway YOU chose. No one is forcing you to enjoy the internet banter. …I would suspect the FBI may have already investigated the 4chan allegation. It would probably take an agent fifteen minutes to reconcile the timelines. But assuming they haven’t: what is it exactly about the 4chan story do you find credible enough to warrant the FBI to look into it? Can you make the 4chan case for us? Because I don’t particularly want to click over there because the site literally makes my eyes bleed. But if you think that what they have posted deserves investigation then lay out the timeline here in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5510 "2018-10-01T20:45:26Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I’m honestly curious to hear what certain posters think the 4chan thing shows. The documents shown, even if they aren’t doctored, seem to be corroborating her testimony not contradicting it. > > What part of the 4chan stuff is so damning? Christine Ford has asserted without reservation that the assault so traumatized her that she is in a constant state of panic needing some sort escape route wherever she is. The 4chan post shows she added a second front door to accommodate renters or a business that was being operated from the home not her PTSD. In addition, why would someone in her mental allow strangers into her home such Google interns much less masculine construction workers who likely drink beer? (Are there all female construction teams in Palo Alto?) Clearly, Ford is lying about how the alleged assault affected her in order to gain sympathy as well as get some sort of exemption for the construction at her home. If she is lying about this, what else is she lying about? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5511 "2018-10-01T20:51:26Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Christine Ford has asserted without reservation that the assault so traumatized her that she is in a constant state of panic needing some sort escape route wherever she is. > > The 4chan post shows she added a second front door to accommodate renters or a business that was being operated from the home not her PTSD. In addition, why would someone in her mental allow strangers into her home such Google interns much less masculine construction workers who likely drink beer? (Are there all female construction teams in Palo Alto?) Clearly, Ford is lying about how the alleged assault affected her in order to gain sympathy as well as get some sort of exemption for the construction at her home. If she is lying about this, what else is she lying about? This is a shameful post. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5512 "2018-10-01T20:55:47Z")
Republicans’ idea of credible sources- Faux and 4chan. Man, Democrats better run the table in November or Americans are simply fucked. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5513 "2018-10-01T21:04:07Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Christine Ford has asserted without reservation that the assault so traumatized her that she is in a constant state of panic needing some sort escape route wherever she is. Let’s see a quote from Dr. Ford. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5514 "2018-10-01T21:04:31Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > The 4chan post shows The 4chan post shows that you are the kind of person who will accept as true information you found on a neo-nazi anonymous imageboard. Anything else it says is superfluous and uninteresting. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5515 "2018-10-01T21:22:13Z")
NBC correspondent reporting that Mark Judge has been interviewed by FBI. Moving along pretty quickly. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5516 "2018-10-01T21:30:58Z")
Fellow Kavanaugh detractors: Do you find, like me, that you’d have a lot more respect for a Kavanaugh supporter who admitted the assault probably occurred and that Kavanaugh lied repeatedly, and simply didn’t think it outweighed the positives, than someone who either lies about their beliefs or are deluding themselves? Because I find the latter to be more disturbing and maddening. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5517 "2018-10-01T22:00:46Z")
The only reason we are talking about Kav the Loutish Boor is that the Republican closed off any effort to ask the solidly legit questions. First and foremost, is the Kav a loyal Republican operative being rewarded for his partisan loyalty? His work with Ken Starr sticks out like a hammered thumb. We already have his suggested list of questions for Clinton, involving a set of gynecological precisions that would raise an eyebrow at PornHub. A suggestion that wasn’t acted upon, apparently reflecting the good taste and prim reserve of Mr. Starr. Or something else, God alone knows what. Kav’s pursuit of HRC in the matter of Vince Foster. Did he really have reasons to pursue the matter so relentlessly? Was it in the dedicated concern for justice, or just plain ol’ ratfuck. I lean to ratfuck, but would like to know. And I want _you_ to know, and that other guy. 'Course, maybe this is all totally legit now, after Obama nominated that fire-breathing radical lefty, Merrick Garland… And the shabby matter of Monica Lewinsky’s Mom… > [@](#): > > …But Starr’s summoning of the mother to testify against her 24-year-old daughter–because the daughter confided about her love life–raises a host of legal, ethical and public-perception questions… > **[LEWINSKY’S MOTHER TESTIFIES](https://www.chicagotribune.com/1998/02/11/lewinskys-mother-testifies/)** > > Seeking to put more pressure on former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr brought her mother, Marcia Lewis, before a grand jury Tuesday. Lewis made her… I daresay, it raises questions. Did the Kav have any problems with this, did he oppose such behavior, as a gentleman and a non-partisan pursuer of truth and justice? Then, of course, we have his work for the GeeDubya White House, and the huge pile of documents related to that work, which we are not permitted to see, because reasons. Reasons of national security, which demand review by the Archivists, who cannot complete their work on time, but what the heck! Clear him anyway, we don’t need to know all that stuff, if he’s good enough for Ken Starr, he’s good enough for Devin Nunes! Let it be fairly noted that the Republican majority did release 42,000 pages of documents. The night before the hearings were to commence. I mean, c’mon, who’s kidding who, here? And, of course, we have Sen Leahy’s complaint about the Kav having private Democrat documents we he was not entitled to have. This was deemed unworthy of investigation, eleven to ten. Of course, they had a very good reason: “Fuck you, you can’t make us do shit!”. This was a sorry-ass spectacle from day one. And with all of this hovering overhead, they’ve got us talking about his beer habits. Why? Because they didn’t think about it, or they would have voted eleven to ten not to. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5518 "2018-10-01T22:03:17Z")
> **[McConnell unloads on Senate Dems amid Kavanaugh probe: 'Their goalposts keep...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-unloads-on-senate-dems-amid-kavanaugh-probe-their-goalposts-keep-shifting-but-their-goal-hasnt-moved-an-inch)** Mcconnell is whining that the democrats are “moving the goalposts.” I’m not making it up. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5519 "2018-10-01T22:05:34Z")
> [@](#): > > “Do these actions suggest this has ever been about finding the truth?” McConnell asked. “Anybody believe that?” Ah, no, Mitch, not really. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5520 "2018-10-01T22:27:03Z")
Article about Kav making efforts to discredit/conceal the Ramirez story before it broke in the New Yorker. Kav said during the hearing he did not hear about the allegation until the New Yorker article. > [@](#): > > In the days leading up to a public allegation that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh exposed himself to a college classmate, the judge and his team were communicating behind the scenes with friends to refute the claim, according to text messages obtained by NBC News. > > … > > Kavanaugh told the Senate Judiciary Committee under oath that the first time he heard of Ramirez’s allegation was in the Sept. 23 article in The New Yorker. > > Kavanaugh was asked by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, when he first heard of Ramirez’s allegations. Kavanaugh answered: “In the New Yorker story.” > **[Text messages suggest Kavanaugh wanted to refute accuser's claim before it...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/mutual-friend-ramirez-kavanaugh-anxious-come-forward-evidence-n915566)** > > A former classmate of the Supreme Court nominee has reached out to the FBI but hasn't received a response. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5521 "2018-10-01T22:41:01Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Well, fill us in, Porcupine. What about your interaction with her tells us that Ford went to the trouble of setting up a phony assault story - one that specifically implicated a real person - in order to win a theoretically possible minor lawsuit? > > If it’s that she went to grad school… well, that’s a hell of a connection. I think you might be misunderstanding my post, but I know my grad school classmate is an example of the type of person who believes the 4chan theory about Ford’s house remodeling because she has posted on Facebook that she believes this. (Or else she is cynically spreading a theory that she doesn’t believe, which is also possible.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=275) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=277)