# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 287
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5722 "2018-10-03T11:06:55Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It looks like “Go to Timmy’s for skis w/Judge, Tom, PJ, Bernie, Squi” on 7/1/82 is a bust **for the Dems** : Bolding mine. Ain’t enough rolleyes. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5723 "2018-10-03T11:14:15Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Yes, Fox News is that good! > > “Christine Blasey Ford ex-boyfriend says she helped friend prep for potential polygraph; Grassley sounds alarm” > > [Christine Blasey Ford ex-boyfriend says she helped friend prep for potential polygraph; Grassley sounds alarm | Fox News](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/christine-blasey-ford-ex-boyfriend-says-she-helped-friend-prep-for-potential-polygraph-grassley-sounds-alarm) > > Christine Blasey Ford may have committed perjury. Here’s her testimony. > > Mitchell: “Have you ever had discussions with anyone, beside your attorneys, on how to take a polygraph?” > Ford: “Never” > Mitchell: “And I don’t just mean countermeasures, but I mean just any sort of tips, or anything like that.” > Ford: “No” > Mitchell: “[H]ave you ever given tips or advice to somebody who was looking to take a polygraph test?” > Ford: “Never” Wait - I thought you Trumpists were AGAINST anonymous accusations of felonies? I’m so confused! Oh wait, vague recollections of things long ago count when it’s a MAN making them, right? But nice to know that Fox’s White House correspondent is participating in the trashing of a woman’s MeToo moment. Wonder who that leaked document came from? Surely nobody on his beat at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5724 "2018-10-03T11:32:50Z")
One more thing, the Fords house is listed at being worth over 2 million USD. How? It looks one step above a hobbit hut. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5725 "2018-10-03T11:46:53Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > One more thing, the Fords house is listed at being worth over 2 million USD. > How? It looks one step above a hobbit hut. It’s the San Francisco Bay Area, where people who make six figures have to live in their cars. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5726 "2018-10-03T12:06:29Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s the San Francisco Bay Area, where people who make six figures have to live in their cars. Yup, the median home price in San Francisco is $1.6m. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5727 "2018-10-03T12:26:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > How in the actual fuck do you read the question “[H]ave you ever given tips or advice to somebody who was looking to take a polygraph test?” as an implication “about RECEIVING tips, NOT giving them”?!? It literally used the exact phrase “given tips or advice”. I’m starting to see a pattern with regard to the level of evidence you require when it’s something that you want to be true, compared to something that you don’t want to be true. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5728 "2018-10-03T12:26:39Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s the San Francisco Bay Area, where people who make six figures have to live in their cars. All the expenses of NYC or London and none of the amenities. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5729 "2018-10-03T12:30:59Z")
No matter what happens with the final vote, we’re just getting more and more confirmation that our society is profoundly fucked up with regards to the treatment of sexual assault and rape, and women in general. The President mocks an alleged victim of sexual assault, to cheers from the crowd, with no condemnation or consequences from his party. And none from his supporters on the Dope, either. No one gets to be a bystander here, any more than anyone could be a bystander during Jim Crow lynchings, the Trail of Tears, or the many other profound injustices in American history. History will remember those who chose to stand with Trump in this moment in the same way it remembers those who stood by while black people were murdered and terrorized in their communities. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5730 "2018-10-03T12:34:24Z")
Yeah, why wouldn’t someone report a sexual assault when there is a chance that the president will mock you to a cheering mob? Of course that’s the point of it all, it sends a clear message to women to shut up and take it or the mob will tear you apart. Also, it helps Trump as he gets his base so mobilized and morally compromised that they are ready to anything for him to keep him out of jail. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5731 "2018-10-03T12:39:36Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Mitchell: “[H]ave you ever given tips or advice to somebody who was looking to take a polygraph test?” > > Ford: “Never” > > Oh brother. I’m pretty sure it was implied that the senator was talking about RECEIVING tips, NOT giving them. So when Mitchell said ‘have you ever given tips’ he was implying ‘have you ever received tips’? Hmm. As a thought exercise, how could one phrase a question “have you ever given…” so as not to imply “have you ever received…”? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![chaika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chaika/32/405_2.png) [@chaika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaika)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5732 "2018-10-03T12:39:48Z")
Well, Trump’s latest [antics](https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/trump-mocks-christine-blasey-ford-kavanaugh-supreme-court/index.html)are no huge surprise. I’m actually a bit surprised it took him this long to begin the mockery of Blasey, the attempts to discredit her and poke holes in her recollections. What a loathsome little toad he is. And his pathetic supporters who laughed and cheered are equally loathsome. I wonder whether this shameful display will have any effect on the undecided senators. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5733 "2018-10-03T12:46:56Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > But nice to know that Fox’s White House correspondent is participating in the trashing of a woman’s MeToo moment. I thought y’all wanted a full investigation of the charge. Well, now you’re getting one. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5734 "2018-10-03T12:59:07Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So when Mitchell said ‘have you ever given tips’ he was implying ‘have you ever received tips’? Hmm. > > As a thought exercise, how could one phrase a question “have you ever given…” so as not to imply “have you ever received…”? > > Regards, > Shodan Finish reading thread before responding. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5735 "2018-10-03T13:02:02Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I thought y’all wanted a full investigation of the charge. Well, now you’re getting one. You have convinced me that the Senate should not do anything on the Kavenaugh nomination until this allegation is also fully explored. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5736 "2018-10-03T13:05:45Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > All the expenses of NYC or London and none of the amenities. The climate is an outstanding amenity. The traffic, however, is like being sentenced to an eternity of attacks by Nicaraguan bullet ants on your nipples. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5737 "2018-10-03T13:09:55Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > The climate is an outstanding amenity. > > The traffic, however, is like being sentenced to an eternity of attacks by Nicaraguan bullet ants on your nipples. Also, San Francisco is more expensive than NYC and I’d bet London, too. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5738 "2018-10-03T13:23:47Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > You have convinced me that the Senate should not do anything on the Kavenaugh nomination until this allegation is also fully explored. Looking at the transcripts, the length of time expended on ths questioning line (i.e the polygraph) makes me think the GOP were at least aware of the boyfriend and his claims. The questions are puzzling otherwise, especially since the prosecutor did not attack some more obvious problems with the testimony. > [@Ravenman](#): > > The climate is an outstanding amenity. > > The traffic, however, is like being sentenced to an eternity of attacks by Nicaraguan bullet ants on your nipples. Only time I have been to San Francisco (20 or so years ago) it was pretty damn pleasent. But, point taken. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5739 "2018-10-03T13:41:18Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Looking at the transcripts, the length of time expended on ths questioning line (i.e the polygraph) makes me think the GOP were at least aware of the boyfriend and his claims. The questions are puzzling otherwise, especially since the prosecutor did not attack some more obvious problems with the testimony. Who knows, but the length of time taken on the fear of flying thing is also puzzling. Not to mention the question about, “You’ve been to Australia, RIGHT?” “Uh, no, I sometimes work for an Australian company.” Oops. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5740 "2018-10-03T13:51:20Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Looking at the transcripts, the length of time expended on ths questioning line (i.e the polygraph) makes me think the GOP were at least aware of the boyfriend and his claims. The questions are puzzling otherwise, especially since the prosecutor did not attack some more obvious problems with the testimony. > > … It’s common for lawyers to front expenses on behalf of their clients and refer them for expert help. It’s also common for opposing counsel to use that against them. Classic example is a lawyer referring a client to a doctor/doctor not getting paid until the case settles. In that scenario, the opposing party deposes the doctor to understand his credentials, and how often he works with this lawyer, for Plaintffs in general, etc. Sometimes it’s shady, sometimes it’s not. In this matter, that seems what Mitchell was trying to do with the polygraph. Lawyers paid for it/found the polygraph person/set it all up = can’t trust results. That’s also why Ford wanted the former FBI agent who administered the test to testify and speak to his credentials. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5741 "2018-10-03T14:02:57Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Looking at the transcripts, the length of time expended on ths questioning line (i.e the polygraph) makes me think the GOP were at least aware of the boyfriend and his claims. The questions are puzzling otherwise, … I think so too. No other reason to ask if she had ever GIVEN polygraph tips unless they already knew she had. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=286) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=288)