# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 302
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6022 "2018-10-04T17:27:21Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I wonder what this year’s Georgetown Prop yearbook is going to look like. Lots of: > > **Dylan Chumworthy** III: 4 years, school choir. Soup kitchen, feeding the homeless. Summers in Guatemala building schoolrooms. People I most admire: Gandhi, Rosa Parks, Anita Hill. Wait until someone’s tells him Gandhi shared a bed with underage girls.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6023 "2018-10-04T17:30:27Z")
The entire process has been a joke - theater, if you will. No reason to be surprised that this FBI “investigation” was the same. The only hope was that things would appear bad enough that enough adults would stand up and say, “This isn’t right. Surely we can do better than putting THIS guy on the Supremes.” But - realistically - that is simply too much to ask for. And I fear the real punch line will be next month, when Repub voters turn out in droves, and Dems stay home… We have the government we deserve. Moreover, even if the Repubs take a hit this go around, they have proven themselves adept at playing the long game. They’ve stacked the Supremes - a gift that will pay off for decades to come. And who knows how long RBG can hold out? Meanwhile, they control an overwhelming number of governorships and state offices - whose increased gerrymandering will be upheld by the Supremes. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6024 "2018-10-04T17:34:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I wonder what this year’s Georgetown Prop yearbook is going to look like. Lots of: > > **Dylan Chumworthy** III: 4 years, school choir. Soup kitchen, feeding the homeless. Summers in Guatemala building schoolrooms. People I most admire: Gandhi, Rosa Parks, Anita Hill. The real dirt today is going to be on Facebook and Instagram, and short of a massive EMP attack that isn’t going away. > [@Blalron](#): > > I think the perjury is what they should focus on. We can make a much stronger case that he lied to Congress in 2018 than what happened in Maryland in 1982. The Democrats shouldn’t let this go. Never stop trying to impeach and remove him. I know it’s a long shot, but it’s the right thing to do. There was certainly the question from Kamala Harris ([“Have you discussed the Mueller investigation with anyone at Kasowitz Benson Torres, the law firm founded by Marc Kasowitz, President Trump’s personal lawyer?” Harris asked. “Be sure about your answer, sir.”](https://www.vox.com/2018/9/6/17826498/kamala-harris-kasowitz-question-kavanaugh-hearings)) that Kavanaugh was so evasive about. Harris clearly doesn’t have facts in hand, but she was playing the prosecutorial long game of forcing a defendant to perjure themselves under oath so that new charges can be brought later. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6025 "2018-10-04T17:34:46Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > That’s what they said about the AHCA. Yeah…to which McCain made a show of walking in the chamber, looking at McConnell and giving a thumbs down as a senate version of a “fuck you” to McConnell/Trump. Given that it would seem not toeing the line is a big deal in the senate and rarely done on big votes. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6026 "2018-10-04T17:37:12Z")
What? They don’t have copy machines at the FBI? Why the hell is there only one copy? Riduculous. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6027 "2018-10-04T17:54:47Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > What? They don’t have copy machines at the FBI? Why the hell is there only one copy? Riduculous. What? You didn’t read post 5,974? 🙂 (Actually, the answer to your question is there.) ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6028 "2018-10-04T17:56:35Z")
Jeffrey Toobin said it best on CNN: “In the US Senate, the woman always loses.” ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6029 "2018-10-04T18:01:41Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > What? They don’t have copy machines at the FBI? Why the hell is there only one copy? Riduculous. I’m sure the FBI has any number of copy machines. The problem is, so does Dianne Feinstein. [serious answer]This is SOP for this kind of thing. [/sa] Oh well. Now we know that the FBI investigation the Dems wanted is a travesty of a mockery of a sham, because they didn’t interview Ford or Kavanaugh. If only there were hours of sworn testimony from either of them - that might have helped. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6030 "2018-10-04T18:06:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > What? You didn’t read post 5,974? 🙂 (Actually, the answer to your question is there.) I read it, and reread. I get no explanation there. I opened the link, I am not reading all that. I just think it’s incredibly stupid that every member of the committee cannot get their own copy. If it’s a gag, it’s not funny. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6031 "2018-10-04T18:08:20Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’m sure the FBI has any number of copy machines. The problem is, so does Dianne Feinstein. > > [serious answer]This is SOP for this kind of thing. [/sa] > > Oh well. Now we know that the FBI investigation the Dems wanted is a travesty of a mockery of a sham, because they didn’t interview Ford or Kavanaugh. > > If only there were hours of sworn testimony from either of them - that might have helped. > > Regards, > Shodan How is Feinstein supposed to copy something she doesn’t have? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6032 "2018-10-04T18:10:51Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Oh well. Now we know that the FBI investigation the Dems wanted is a travesty of a mockery of a sham, because they didn’t interview Ford or Kavanaugh. > > If only there were hours of sworn testimony from either of them - that might have helped. Being interviewed by the FBI is very different from giving testimony. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6033 "2018-10-04T18:12:10Z")
IIRC the FBI was taking a lot of heat about its actions lately, when it wasn’t clear anything was being done wrong. This week though, something “wrong” is demonstrably occurring, and it can be detailed, investigated and prosecuted. I like Rod R. in his position at this moment, but he and wray and kavanaugh are fellow yale law alumni, and Federal Society members, as well as colleagues in republican political prosecutions. [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/03/kavanaugh-allegations-fbi-investigation-politicize-220843](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/03/kavanaugh-allegations-fbi-investigation-politicize-220843) I think this is the near future we should be considering. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6034 "2018-10-04T18:15:11Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > The real dirt today is going to be on Facebook and Instagram, and short of a massive EMP attack that isn’t going away. > > There was certainly the question from Kamala Harris ([“Have you discussed the Mueller investigation with anyone at Kasowitz Benson Torres, the law firm founded by Marc Kasowitz, President Trump’s personal lawyer?” Harris asked. “Be sure about your answer, sir.”](https://www.vox.com/2018/9/6/17826498/kamala-harris-kasowitz-question-kavanaugh-hearings)) that Kavanaugh was so evasive about. Harris clearly doesn’t have facts in hand, but she was playing the prosecutorial long game of forcing a defendant to perjure themselves under oath so that new charges can be brought later. > > Stranger This was the moment when he broke face for the first time in this process too. “Kasoow…??” _ **He feigned unfamiliarity** _ with the name of the presidents lawyer and firm that his friend worked at. You could almost hear him mutter “Democrat!” under his breath at her. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6035 "2018-10-04T18:20:05Z")
Senator Heitkamp (D) is No. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6036 "2018-10-04T18:27:10Z")
A little less cover for them, but I’d be (pleasantly) gobsmacked if either Flake or Collins votes No. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6037 "2018-10-04T18:31:46Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > How is Feinstein supposed to copy something she doesn’t have? I gently encourage you to stop accepting at face value the shit the Trumpians want you to consume, such as the underlying lie that Feinstein leaked anything. It’s a right wing talking point based on fuck-all as evidence. They love to do this: Get you to accept the underlying “fact” as true, and then build their smears on that. When one of them makes such an assertion, require them to show proof of it and don’t take it on faith. Feinstein maintains she leaked nothing, and the news outlet that received the Christine Blasey Ford leak confirmed that neither Feinstein or her staff were the source of the leak. [Cite](https://www.vox.com/2018/9/27/17912102/feinstein-christine-blasey-ford-letter-leak). ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6038 "2018-10-04T18:34:09Z")
Breaking: Heitkamp is a no. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6039 "2018-10-04T18:34:52Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > A little less cover for them, but I’d be (pleasantly) gobsmacked if either Flake or Collins votes No. I still think Flake, Collins, Murkowski, and Manchin vote as a block, but I’m somewhat less convinced of that now. The outrage is through the roof and it will affect them all differently. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6040 "2018-10-04T18:39:39Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > …I have not seen any legitimate reason to reject Kavanaugh… Really? I mean, seriously, honestly, really? Because I saw a man without the temperament to serve effectively as a SCOTUS Justice. A man who expressly and clearly articulated his political biases. A man who was unwilling to present himself as fair, even-keeled, or thoughtful. An _injudicious_ man. I fucking _despised_ Scalia. He was an asshole of the finest order, and I was more than once fundamentally enraged and outraged by his opinions and his philosophies. But I respected the fuck out of him, even when I disparaged him, because he knew how to keep his shit together. Surely Americans can do better than this angry, petulant, arrogant, entitled, yelling and crying and patently political turd. Surely the _Republicans_ can do better. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6041 "2018-10-04T18:46:54Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Really? I mean, seriously, honestly, really? > > Because I saw a man without the temperament to serve effectively as a SCOTUS Justice. A man who expressly and clearly articulated his political biases. A man who was unwilling to present himself as fair, even-keeled, or thoughtful. An _injudicious_ man. > > I fucking _despised_ Scalia. He was an asshole of the finest order, and I was more than once fundamentally enraged and outraged by his opinions and his philosophies. But I respected the fuck out of him, even when I disparaged him, because he knew how to keep his shit together. > > Surely Americans can do better than this angry, petulant, arrogant, entitled, yelling and crying and patently political turd. > > **Surely the _Republicans_ can do better.** I don’t think so, anymore. It’s all politics all the time, now. No institutional integrity, no respect for the rule of law, and the end always justifies the means. Always. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=301) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=303)