# Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733 "2018-09-04T12:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 313
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6242 "2018-10-05T14:47:50Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > His base will not easily forgive him for that. Wow. My math shows 51-49 for cloture. If Manchin was a no, without Pence in the presiding chair, the motion fails. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6243 "2018-10-05T14:48:25Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Murkowski votes No - to end debate. Flake, Collins, Manchin yes. So did the cloture vote succeed 51-49, or still voting? ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6244 "2018-10-05T14:49:26Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > So did the cloture vote succeed 51-49, or still voting? Appears to have votes, but technically still voting. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6245 "2018-10-05T14:50:52Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > So did the cloture vote succeed 51-49, or still voting? Still voting. Anyone could change. Where in the hell is Pence? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6246 "2018-10-05T14:52:41Z")
Final 51-49. Cloture invoked. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6247 "2018-10-05T14:55:47Z")
Holy shit, this is, well, I was going to say fun, but it is so serious, it is high political drama and an important point in U.S. History that we are seeing live. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6248 "2018-10-05T14:57:15Z")
I told y’all. Libs, stop being so naive. Wake up. The Republicans are dragging us up the stairs by our hair and throwing us onto the bed. God only knows what they’ll do to us next. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6249 "2018-10-05T14:57:16Z")
So party line? ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6250 "2018-10-05T14:57:40Z")
Hard to see Manchin voting no, after voting yes to move forward. But I don’t really follow these votes that closely to know whether that would be atypical or not. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6251 "2018-10-05T14:59:49Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > About twenty years ago, my best friend and I were hot from behind while driving on Gardiner’s Road in Kingston, Ontario. There are minors reading this MB! 😉 > [@AK84](#): > > So party line? Almost. Manchin is a Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6252 "2018-10-05T15:00:25Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Hard to see Manchin voting no, after voting yes to move forward. But I don’t really follow these votes that closely to know whether that would be atypical or not. What they’re secretly hoping for is another massive bombshell allegation to come forward in the next 24 hours. Not gonna happen - especially after what Dr Ford just went through. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6253 "2018-10-05T15:01:35Z")
McCain voted no on the health care thing when he voted yes on cloture. So it’s still possible two of the three Flake/Collins/Manchin could vote no. But I’m not counting on it. The party of sexual assault will probably win this round. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6254 "2018-10-05T15:02:14Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > If she was going to make up a story for the purposes of bringing down Kavanaugh, why would she make up such a bad story with so many holes and include so many people who could discredit it–especially his best friend! All Mark Judge has to do is make up some lie about how he remembers the party and Ford was pissed she wasn’t invited so she started making up rumors. He could instantly and easily totally discredit her story. There are much better fake stories she could come up with that would be much harder to discredit if that was her intent. “This story is so easy to discredit it must be true!!” What arrant nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6255 "2018-10-05T15:05:08Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > If she was going to make up a story for the purposes of bringing down Kavanaugh, why would she make up such a bad story with so many holes and include so many people who could discredit it–especially his best friend! All Mark Judge has to do is make up some lie about how he remembers the party and Ford was pissed she wasn’t invited so she started making up rumors. He could instantly and easily totally discredit her story. There are much better fake stories she could come up with that would be much harder to discredit if that was her intent. According to a sex crimes expert I heard, the testimony of Ford is similar to what a very young child gives of being over powered by a much larger person. Ford appears to be very stout while Kavanaugh does not appear to be much bigger. I suspect Ford may have been molested as a very young child and is transferring the incident onto Kavanaugh. Thus, it sounds very real. We haven’t heard much from either Ford’s parents or her brother which is curious. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6256 "2018-10-05T15:08:09Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > So party line? > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Almost. Manchin is a Democrat. And Murkowski is a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6257 "2018-10-05T15:08:24Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > So party line? Manchin (D) and Murkowski (R) flipped ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6258 "2018-10-05T15:08:58Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > According to a sex crimes expert I heard, the testimony of Ford is similar to what a very young child gives of being over powered by a much larger person. Ford appears to be very stout while Kavanaugh does not appear to be much bigger. I suspect Ford may have been molested as a very young child and is transferring the incident onto Kavanaugh. Thus, it sounds very real. We haven’t heard much from either Ford’s parents or her brother which is curious. Wow. That is both an utterly ridiculous and ugly thing to say. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6259 "2018-10-05T15:10:37Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > According to a sex crimes expert I heard, the testimony of Ford is similar to what a very young child gives of being over powered by a much larger person. Ford appears to be very stout while Kavanaugh does not appear to be much bigger. I suspect Ford may have been molested as a very young child and is transferring the incident onto Kavanaugh. Thus, it sounds very real. We haven’t heard much from either Ford’s parents or her brother which is curious. This is insane. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6260 "2018-10-05T15:11:24Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > According to a sex crimes expert I heard, the testimony of Ford is similar to what a very young child gives of being over powered by a much larger person. Ford appears to be very stout while Kavanaugh does not appear to be much bigger. I suspect Ford may have been molested as a very young child and is transferring the incident onto Kavanaugh. Thus, it sounds very real. We haven’t heard much from either Ford’s parents or her brother which is curious. So much bullshit to unpack here. Kavanaugh was an athlete who regularly lifted weights. Ford was a fifteen year old girl. Who overpowered whom? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/6261 "2018-10-05T15:14:52Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So much bullshit to unpack here. Kavanaugh was an athlete who regularly lifted weights. Ford was a fifteen year old girl. Who overpowered whom? I admit a grudging admiration; I didn’t think it was possible to fit that volume of excrement into five sentences. I need to up my game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=312) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733.md?page=314)